Talk:Fei Fei Sun

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Requested move 1 May 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. Clear consensus that the common name for this person is Fei Fei Sun. Cúchullain ^t/c 14:28, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sun Feifei (model) → Fei Fei Sun – The name used for this model is Fei Fei Sun in every magazine and all of her agencies (Women, Elite, Chic) (even the model herself). See: Models.com, New York, all of her articles on Vogue, L'Obs, Style.com, W, Interview. The list is endless. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 09:48, 8 May 2015 (UTC) MirandaKeurr (talk) 11:27, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

While I understand the point of view, the problem is the actress has the exact same family name and given name as the supermodel. As both are Chinese citizens as far as we know, per Chinese regulations on their passports it's going to show exactly the same thing, Given name: FEIFEI, family name: SUN. Reversing the name order and putting a space is IMO not a way to properly disambiguate. The actress for example, is also credited as "Fei Fei Sun" in western movies like An American In China.Timmyshin (talk) 17:27, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Timmyshin can you present anything to verify according to commonly recognised name because, in wikipedia, this is the main thing that matters. If I were famous and called myself Kaye G.B. as I easily could, then, if this was accepted widely, then this would be my common name. Greg Kaye 17:33, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And you want to call yourself Kaye G.B.... why? Chinese naming order is not the same as Western naming order. Every Chinese actor (that doesn't have an English name) has their names reversed on IMDB, e.g. "Ziyi Zhang" also see [1] [2] [3] etc. but that doesn't mean her page needs to be at "Ziyi Zhang". There's a naming convention at WP:NC-ZH although I understand there can be different interpretations of the standard. Timmyshin (talk) 17:55, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Timmyshin I appreciate what your saying but, as far as WP:UCRN is concerned rules are not the dominant factor. "Malcolm Little" can be called Malcolm X, an anonymous artist can gain an identity as Banksy, Kathrin Fricke can be known as Coldmirror - See the extensive List of pseudonyms for more examples. The question is not can the suggested name be accepted but should it be accepted. Greg Kaye 19:00, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a pseudonym, it's her birth name and the romanization didn't change either. If her magazine name was "FF Sun" or "Fay Fay Sun", then the move is obvious. Like I said, I'm not opposing the move, but you have to understand Sun Feifei, Fei Fei Sun, Sun Fei-fei, Sun Fei-Fei, Fei-fei Sun, Fei-Fei Sun, Sun Fei Fei etc. are all the exact same name, the actress for example has 2 pages on IMDB: [4] [5] and I can guarantee that she never had a conscious name change, even in Latin. Timmyshin (talk) 19:09, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment MirandaKeurr, can you propose a move from Ju Xiaowen to Xiao Wen Ju as well? Looks like all the magazines use "Xiao Wen Ju". I honestly don't have a strong opinion either way, but I think these 2 pages need to be consistent. Timmyshin (talk) 18:41, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support "Fei Fei Sun (model)" WP:UCN, WP:OFFICIALNAME, MOS:IDENTITY -- we do not use official names just because they are official. Just because the passport says something is not a reason to use it. The nominator has presented evidence that the model is frequently known by a particular spelling, so that is an acceptable name to use, since it is in common use. And just because the government says something, does not mean that the person cannot use some other name, such as Bill Clinton is not at William Jefferson Clinton ; though Fei Fei Sun (model) may be a better choice, due to the two people and various ways to render names into English, applying to both people. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:36, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose consistent en.wp MOS. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:31, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. If Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta can be known as Lady Gaga as common name then Sun Feifei (model) can certainly be moved to Fei Fei Sun. Greg Kaye 23:39, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAME, easy call. Cavarrone 05:56, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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