Talk:Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!)

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Rewrite needed!

This article reads like a strongly-opinionated review, not an encyclopedia entry. And I wouldn't be surprised if it was plagarized, either.

Unsourced, questionable statements abound. Mike Love bullied Brian back to formula? "Girl Don't Tell Me" was a deliberate rip-off of "Ticket to Ride"? These things need sources.

I suggest a complete rewrite. --63.25.230.125 (talk) 11:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. THis comment can apply to most of the album entries.

Roygbiv666 (talk) 21:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Me Too, I don't think that "You're so Good To Me" was the first time Brian sang lead without falsetto. What about for most of Surfer Girl? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.40.63.122 (talk) 12:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"...was among the most ingeniously-complex recordings in popular music at that time" this is an opinion. it does not belong in an encyclopedia article. i am removing it. also, this article is lacking in citations and a formal tone. Lord mortekai (talk) 03:05, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It needs work, we all agree. Someone needs to step up. Jusdafax (talk) 02:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rate importance to 'High'

Album was #2 best seller, so since this has no rating I'll give it 'High'. Jusdafax (talk) 02:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copy edit "Live performances" section

PaintedCarpet (talk) 22:29, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Album cover

The "cover" section reads

Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!) includes Bruce Johnston's first appearance on a Beach Boys album. As Brian Wilson's stage replacement, he was not yet considered an "official" member, but Wilson appreciated Johnston's skills enough to have him contribute vocally and instrumentally on the album. Johnston would often accompany the group on photo shoots, but he was prohibited from having those pictures published on album covers due to a preexisting contract with Columbia Records. Johnston wouldn't even appear on a Beach Boys album until he appeared in a photo collage on the back cover of Pet Sounds, and wouldn't grace the front cover of one of their albums until 1968's Friends. Along with Johnston, Al Jardine is also missing from the Summer Days cover photo depicting the group on a sailboat, having missed the shoot due to illness.

and the ref for the section is "Learn about The Beach Boys' 'Summer Days' album cover | Goldmine Magazine". Goldminemag.com. 2010-08-02. Retrieved 2012-03-11..

I copyedited it a little, with a edit summary of just "clarify", and not adding to or removing the one ref:

The cover photo depicting the group on a sailboat shows Brian, Carl, and Dennis Wilson, and Mike Love. Al Jardine is missing from the photo, having missed the shoot due to illness.

Bruce Johnston is also not on the cover, although he did perform on the album. As Brian Wilson's stage replacement, he was not yet considered an official member, but Wilson appreciated Johnston's skills enough to have him contribute vocally and instrumentally on the album. Johnston would often accompany the group on photo shoots, but he was prohibited from having those pictures published on album covers due to a preexisting contract with Columbia Records. Johnston wouldn't appear at all on a Beach Boys album until he appeared in a photo collage on the back cover of Pet Sounds, and not on an album front cover until 1968's Friends.

And an editor, User:Tkbrett, reverted it (perfectly fine per WP:BRD) with an edit summary of "restore sourced material". Per BRD, the next step is to bring the question here and talk it thru as a group. f My opinion is that both the passages say essentially the exact same thing, but differently. I think the original is confusing from the start, in that the first sentence ("Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!) includes Bruce Johnston's first appearance on a Beach Boys album") confused me with the use of "appearance on "; since we're talking about a cover photo, I kind of figured that "appearance on" used right off meant "appearance on the cover". I suppose if you changed it to "contribution to" that'd fix that. But still, why not lead off of with what the album cover is ("The cover photo depicting the group on a sailboat shows Brian, Carl, and Dennis Wilson, and Mike Love") rather than what it isn't, and then get down into details why certain people are or are not included.

I moved/reworded some of the following material mostly to make it fit in with the changed first sentence, or maybe just since I had the hood open. Maybe my wording could be improved, and fine. I'm not a big fan of scare quotes; "was not an 'official' member..." basically means "was not a (so-called) official member" and it's not super clear what we're trying to say here. I think we're saying that he was a de facto full member of the group (altho that's kind of opinion I guess and we'd want a source for that) but formally (legally/financially/public-relationally/whateverlly) was not, and if that's it let's say so plain, without maybe implying that perhaps the public is being misinformed or something.

Also, "restore sourced material" pretty much implies that some useful (and sourced) material has been removed, and I'm not seeing that. Anyway, whatever, but I think the change to first sentence ought to stay, at least in general thrust. And that is why we are here. Other opinions? Herostratus (talk) 19:25, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, no argument, so I'll restore the text. Herostratus (talk) 00:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]