Talk:Sumeru Parbat

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Ascent claims

It is one of the most difficult and less attempted peaks of the region. The peak has only been ascended successfully once, in 1984 by a team from Siliguri (NBEC) under the leadership of Durjoy Ghosh.^{[citation needed]} Four members and a sherpa reached the summit and successfully returned in inclement weather conditions. A team from Bengal obtained IMF approval and made a futile try to reach the summit.

This has been in the article, as far as I can tell, since its creation, and that Citation Needed tag is dated 2013. Despite searching, I could find no reliable sources to confirm the claim, and I can't help but notice that "Durjoy ghosh" is the username of the person who created the article. So we've got not only an unsourced claim, but also a potential conflict of interest.

If legit, this information belongs in the article - perhaps there are non-English sources that someone else could track down? Until then I've stashed it here for reference. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 15:34, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Removing it was justified due to lack of a proper source for 5 years and thanks for making special note of it here. I did some digging today and discovered that the first ascent was in 1971 and the second ascent in 1984. Ghosh was credited as the article author in the HJ 1986 and he acknowledged that the FA was in 1971 via the North face. The 1984 ascent seems to have followed the 1971 line until they encountered hazardous route conditions higher on the N face so they switched to the NE face. RedWolf (talk) 21:29, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I just re-read the HJ source and the author states "Our approach march started on 26 September 1985" so this ascent was in 1985 not 1984. RedWolf (talk) 21:53, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, now I found a mention of the 1984/5? ascent in the Alpine Journal 1985 (https://www.alpinejournal.org.uk/Contents/Contents_1985_files/AJ%201985%20226-228%20Kapadia%20India.pdf) under "1984" where the author just briefly notes the ascent of the mountain. RedWolf (talk) 22:05, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks much for researching this (also the article looks much better now)! Regarding the 1984/85 issue, I'm in favor of going with 1985; that source is more complete and specific, while the other simply mentions that there was an ascent. Since we're stating that Ghosh summited, it makes sense to me to cite the source that has his name in it.

Alternately, what about: The second ascent (first via NE face) was completed in 1984^[1] or 1985^[2] by a team from Siliguri under the leadership of Durjoy Ghosh, which put four climbers and two Sherpas on the top in inclement weather conditions.^[2] It's a little messier, but covers both potential years. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 14:44, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.alpinejournal.org.uk/Contents/Contents_1985_files/AJ%201985%20226-228%20Kapadia%20India.pdf
^ ^a ^b Ghosh, Durjoy (1986). "Expeditions and Notes: Sumeru Parbat". Himalayan Journal. 42. The Himalayan Club. Retrieved 14 April 2019.

[1] ttps://www.alpinejournal.org.uk/Contents/Contents_1985_files/AJ%201985%20226-228%20Kapadia%20India.pdf

[hj_1986-2] Ghosh, Durjoy (1986). "Expeditions and Notes: Sumeru Parbat". Himalayan Journal. 42. The Himalayan Club. Retrieved 14 April 2019.

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