Talk:Suhayl ibn Amr

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Vandalism?

Is this vandalism or an actual part of the article?

He was brought to the house of his former sister-in-law, Sawda, and some disbelievers who call themselves muslims made up false statements stating that Sawda said: "I could hardly contain myself when I saw Abu Yazid in this state and I said, 'O Abu Yazid, you surrendered too readily! You ought to have died a noble death!". Such blasphemous and disbelief words were never reported through strong chain of narrations. The citation is from the book which was written by disbelievers and translated into English by disbelievers as well (Oxford press). The narration regarding this situation is reported in Sunan Abu Dawud 2680 where such disbelief words attributed to Sawda do not exist, and the narration itself is weak.

Either way, it's unencyclopædic. ― Ö S M A N (talk · contribs) 10:38, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plus IDK what to replace it with. ― Ö S M A N (talk · contribs) 10:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@EmperorÖsmanIXXVMD: What matters most is whether the material in question is supported by the cited source. At first glance, it looks like an IP may have added original research in one or both of these two edits about a year ago. I found an online version of the cited book available here, and the citation in this article says page 309. Feel free to verify if the citation supports the disputed claims. Left guide (talk) 11:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Left guide The source doesn't mention Sawda and I think it was cited for a now-deleted claim which can be found in this revision. ― Ö S M A N (talk · contribs) 11:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You linked the current live version of the article, not sure if you meant to do that. Anyhow, what do you think about the paragraph in question from this older version of the article? Left guide (talk) 12:10, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This one's not vandalised and makes sense. It should probably be added back.

In 624, Suhayl and his son Abdullah set out with the Quraysh army to meet Abu Sufyan's caravan. When they reached Badr, where Muhammad's army was waiting, Abdullah deserted the Quraysh and joined the Muslim side for the Battle of Badr. Suhayl was among those captured and taken prisoner at the battle. Umar offered to knock out his two front teeth so that "his tongue will stick out and he will never be able to speak against you again;" but Muhammad would not allow it. Suhayl was brought to Medina with his hands roped to his neck. He was brought to the house of his former sister-in-law, Sawda, who recalled: "I could hardly contain myself when I saw Abu Yazid in this state and I said, 'O Abu Yazid, you surrendered too readily! You ought to have died a noble death!'" forgetting that he had been fighting on the side of her opponents. In due course Mikraz ibn Hafs ibn al-Akhyaf came to negotiate Suhayl's ransom, which Muhammad agreed to take in camels. Since Mikraz did not have the animals with him, he remained in Medina as security while Suhayl returned to Mecca to arrange the payment.

― Ö S M A N (talk · contribs) 12:20, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, let me try to restore it. Left guide (talk) 12:27, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Left guide (talk) 12:32, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]