Talk:Sugarloaf (disambiguation)

Unqualified entries

The following were pared per MOS:DAB:

Sugarloaf Key, island in the lower Florida Keys
Sugarloaf Rock (Curtis Group), island in northern Bass Strait, Tasmania
Sugarloaf Rock (Mutton Bird Group), island in south-western Tasmania
Mount Sugarloaf State Reservation, a state park in Massachusetts
Sugarloaf Ridge State Park, straddles the border of Sonoma and Napa counties in northern California
Sugarloaf Mountain (Maryland), a privately-held recreational park open to the public free of charge
Sugarloaf Township, St. Clair County, Illinois
Sugarloaf Township, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania
TPC at Sugarloaf, a golf course in Duluth, Georgia
Kona Sugarloaf, a type of pineapple
Sugarloaf Films, Inc., the movie production company that made Kiss of the Spider Woman (film)
The Sugar Loaf is one of the follies built by Mad Jack Fuller of Brightling, East Sussex, U.K.
The Brazilian Sugar Loaf field, discovered in 2007 may be the world's third largest oil field.
In WW I, a German salient called the "Sugar Loaf" was a factor in the Battle of Fromelles
Sugarloaf (helm) - a kind of Great helm (sugarloaf-shaped great helm)

ENeville (talk) 01:14, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear. The result of taking these out and "sorting" what is left is an attenuated and rather unhelpful list. Most of the deleted items need to be reinstated somehow. The link to the subsidiary DAB page at Sugarloaf (mountain) needs to be made more visible. The handful of mountains that have crept into this page need to be moved to Sugarloaf (mountain). Or maybe the items at Sugarloaf (mountain) should all be moved here. I'd fix it myself, but I'm not sure what the problem was, and I therefore fear that if I go ahead and do it I'll have rules and procedures waved in my face! SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 08:06, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have had a go at making the link to Sugarloaf (mountain) more prominent. Works for me, and I hope it's acceptable to those who know more about the rules than I do! But we still need to reinstate most of the above list - don't we? SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 08:14, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have reinstated the items from the above list that seemed (IMHO) to qualify for inclusion. SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 08:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The idea of disambiguation is to facilitate unhindered access to an article when a reader already knows what topic they want, but its title can ambiguously refer to multiple pages, hence needs disambiguation. Therefore, the idea is not to index all page titles that include a given term, but to provide concise and consistent redirection to articles that otherwise might share the exact same title. This is layed out in WP:DAB and MOS:DAB, but the point is the purpose beyond the rules, of course. Hope this helps make sense of things a bit. ENeville (talk) 15:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. So how do Sugarloaf (ski resort) and Sugar Loaf railway station qualify, but not Sugarloaf Mountain (Maryland) or Sugarloaf Key? Seems to me that in any of these cases, someone might well approach from the angle of "I can't remember precisely what it's called, but it's that sugarloaf place in XXX" - and maintaining a list of articles about things/places with "sugarloaf" in their names is useful, just as it's useful to list people sharing the name Darragh at Darragh. I think (in the nicest possible way, of course!) that you are trying to hold a very shaky line, and sacrificing usefulness in the interests of an over-fastidious interpretation of the rules. SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 15:29, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Again, the point of dab pages is not to act as a search feature. That's what the seach bar is for. Dabs function to expedite locating a known topic, and the fewer entries to sort through, the better. If you start including articles that have the disambiguated term as only part of their name, the number of entries to visually parse quickly grows, making locating a known topic more cumbersome. The resultant contrast in number of entries in this case is only a modest example. Sugarloaf (ski resort) qualifies because "Sugarloaf" is the name. Sugar Loaf railway station looked to me like a similar case, one where people aware of the topic would reasonably expect it at just "Sugar Loaf", but inclusion was perhaps liberal and I see now that the article itself identifies the topic as "Sugar Loaf Halt" and maybe that page should be moved and/or removed from listing here. Certainly WP:IAR, a rule itself and as such an expression of a concept guiding behavior, is an important reminder to look at the spirit beyond the letter. In this case, it seems to me that the pertinent issues fall well within the bounds of those addressed in the development of MOS:DAB. Perhaps you would want to address the systemic issues there? ENeville (talk) 17:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

firearms related meaning?

The term is no longer in widespread use but before the Second World War, in American English, or at least in American English technical jargon pertaining to firearms and ammunition, the shape of unjacketed soft lead handgun bullet now generally called "LRN" ("lead round nose") was often called a "sugarloaf style bullet." On the one hand, this is not a very notable meaning. On the other hand, is an encyclopedic level of completeness desirable here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.41.40.21 (talk) 18:27, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sugarloaf Mountain