Talk:Subway Series

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Usage of the term

"Usage of the term "Subway Series" arose in 1941 when the Dodgers made their first World Series appearance since 1920."

That appears to be an incorrect statement. A search of the ProQuest historical New York Times archives reveals several articles published prior to 1941 that contain the phrase "subway series" in conjunction with the World Series. The oldest such article was printed in 1934 [1], and there were several in 1937 referring to a possible New York Yankees vs. New York Giants series. (Although the Giants were in contention, the Chicago Cubs and the Yankees made it to the series that year.) User:24.46.65.161 15:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Giants were in the Series vs. the Yankees in 1936 and 1937, the Cubs in 1938. In the 1934 article, the Giants and Senators had won in 1933, and in 1934 it would prove to be the Cardinals and the Tigers. In any case, the tone of the article you cite suggests the term was already familiar or obvious to the fans, so I would guess it goes back farther. Wahkeenah 16:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I made a few changes and incorporated your article. We can't entirely fault whoever wrote that originally (hopefully it wasn't me) because the Dickson Baseball Dictionary makes nearly the same mistake, only they "fudge" it a little bit. Now it would be interesting for someone to do some "almost-original" research and look at the New York papers from 1921-22-23 and see if the term showed up there at all. Keep in mind that the elevated part of the "subway" ran right by the Polo Grounds entrance, which I am sure was not a coincidence. Wahkeenah 16:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think the part about similar series could add the Phillies and Yankees Series in 2008 going by the Amtrak Series among others http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/amtrak_series_or_new_jersey_turnpike_series_or_i_95_series_or_liberty_serie/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.198.248.44 (talk) 03:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first paragraph of the section on Early Series is misleading. The three train lines were indeed in competition, but only the elevated line ran past Yankee Stadium and the Polo Grounds in the 1920s (video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzdxvJrGOE). This dovetails with above comment about 1934 being the earliest use of the term. Also, wasn't the term also applied to World Series that fans expected might be played entirely within Chicago or Philadelphia? And how about St. Louis, where it did happen in 1944 World_Series#Cross-town_Series? Martindo (talk) 00:11, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Needs Citations

This is one of the most important articles with respect to New York City sports, but it's a mess. There are no citations in the entire article. For starters, it would be nice if there was some research done into the etymology of the term. For instance, the article states that it didn't apply to Dodgers-Giants regular season games when they were both based in the city. Is that true? I have always understood the term historically to refer to World Series (hence the "series" part) played between the Yankees and a National League team based in New York. However, it also currently applies to regular season inteleague games between the Yankees and the Mets.

Whatever the case, it is necessary to have citations for such assertions: how it was used to refer historically to all New York World Series; if it was not used in reference to regular season games between the Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Giants; how it is now used to refer to interleague games between the Yankees and the Mets. I'll be looking for such references myself when I have time, but help would be appreciated. TempDog123 (talk) 10:09, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

19th Century Trolley Series

The entry says the Bridegrooms were also known as the Trolley Dodgers in 1889. That is not true. Brooklyn was first referred to as the "Trolley Dodgers" in 1895, after the recent installation of high-speed, quiet electric trolleys made the streets of Brooklyn famously more dangerous. --Svaihingen (talk) 00:38, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]