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Ghost Walking Removal

Does anyone have any credible references pertaining to the "ghost walking" issue that are not to forum posts?

If not, I'm axing it, it's an urban legend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rallyemax (talk • contribs) 21:57, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's not an urban myth, but whatever, I"ll just remove it myself then. Who cares if people are't alerted to a problem that could cause them to go off the right right? Especially since there is a TSB pertaining to it that Subaru issued to try and cover it up.

_________________________________ TSB 05-36-07

Introduction

The purpose of this bulletin is to provide the new rear alignment (toe-in) adjustment value and rear tire pressure specification to prevent excessive rear tire wear when additional weight is added to the vehicle.

Note: The vehicle needs to be at curb weight when performing alignment. The spare tire, jack and tool kit must be in place along with the fuel tank filled. Make sure there are no additional items in the vehicle. Vehicle loading less than 100Kg (220lb) (excluding occupant weight) Toe-in (rear) rear tire rear tire pressure -3mm to 0mm (-0.12 to 0 in) P225/55R17 95 V P225/60R16 97 H 30 psi 30 psi Vehicle loading about 200Kg (441lb) or Trailer Towing (excluding occupant weight) Toe-in (rear) rear tire rear tire pressure -3mm to 0mm (-0.12 to 0 in) P225/55R17 95 V P225/60R16 97 H

37.5 to 39 psi
37.5 to 39 psi
When no longer carrying extra cargo or towing a trailer, rear tire pressure should be readjusted to 30 psi.

Note: Always check and adjust tire pressure when the tires are cold. Never exceed the maximum cold-inflation pressure listed on the tire sidewall. CAUTION: VEHICLE SERVICING PERFORMED BY UNTRAINED PERSONS COULD RESULT IN SERIOUS INJURY TO THOSE PERSONS OR TO OTHERS. Subaru Service Bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians ONLY. They are written to inform those technicians of conditions that may occur in some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper servicing of the vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do the job correctly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that this Service Bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. NUMBER: 05-36-07R DATE: 01/09/07 APPLICABILITY: 2005~07MY Legacy Outback Sedan and Wagon Vehicles SUBJECT: Rear Wheel Alignment and Rear Tire Pressure Specifications SERVICE BULLETIN

ATTENTION : GENERAL MANAGER ❏ PARTS MANAGER ❏ CLAIMS PERSONNEL ❏ SERVICE MANAGER ❏ IMPORTANT - All Service Personnel Should Read and Initial in the boxes provided, right. PROUD

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See the part about rear tire wear? How else do you think that would come about when you put a small amount of weight in the back if it's not the wheel alignment changing? I know tires can get increased wear from extra load, but a TSB for 200KG? And it is documented they changed the ride lift for NA markets, aside from that the shocks from the previous Gen are fully compatible. It really doesn't take a genius to figure it out. You can easily see a milder version of this in Canada Subaru website listings for it due to their different regulations. Base models had a lower height than the H6 since the H6 used more gas per mile. In the US they were all made the same as that H6. All on Internet Archives of news and Subaru dealership sites from the era. I did my research very heavily before posting this, but couldn't use any of it as references to support this.

But oh well. Out it goes. 72.23.212.91 (talk) 21:35, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The issue does not, as you claim above, have anything to do with the internet archive. The issue is that the entire section is sourced to a discussion forum (see WP:SPS and some conclusions you drew from a technical bulletin about tire pressure (see WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is! Wikipedia blocked any attempt to use archive as a source when I first wrote all this years ago! In fact the only OTHER thing left aside from that TSB is a passing sentence on the NYT article from 2004 I referenced(#11 as of June,3 2020) in the early part of the Outback section regarding ground clearance mentioning that changing the height can affect vehicle stability. They did make an attempt to correct it using modified parts but they didn't do all of them in the rear multilink, 2 of the arms, 4 total for the rear, are still the same that were on the previous 2nd gen that had the lower clearance and cocked at an angle they weren't designed for. This problem only happens in NA which is the only continent where this change was made, nowhere else has this. I put a lot of time and effort into this long before posting it so you aren't going to convince me, or the rest who own these cars, otherwise.

But I guess it's fine as this is still all posted in stickies on all the Subaru forums so anyone who does research on this gen will find the information about it, the tests the owners did and posted there, and the tips on how to mitigate it, regardless of Wikipedia snubbing it like Subaru. And with how old these cars are I bet most of them are off the road by now anyway, hopefully.72.23.212.91 (talk) 18:29, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]