Talk:Student Unity/Archive 1

Archive 1

ALP and Coalition ideology

Do people think it's more precise to classify the ALP as social democratic, rather than center-left. By the same token do people think it's more precise to classify the Coalition as neoliberal, rather than center-right. If anyone has any input into this please see the discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Australian_federal_election%2C_2007#Description_of_ALP. Alans1977 22:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

earlier comments

The 'Decline of Student Unity' section was removed due to Wikipedia's prohibition on original research. - 58.160.190.44 14:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Anyone aware of the results of NUS elections over the last two years cannot deny that the influence of Student Unity has declined. Perhaps you could point out what exactly (or even better, change it yourself), in that chapter is NPOV or factually inaccurate, without just chopping it all out or simply posting that box at the beginning of it. Ben Raue (Talk) 04:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, clearly it is more than premature to speak of the 'decline' of Student Unity. Certainly, the faction has much less influence than it did several years ago, but it is absurd to argue that the faction is in any way coming to an end and that is non-NPOV. - 192.43.227.18 02:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

There is no 3 year deal with Qld. The deal the Victorian side of Unity did with the NSW side was a 2 year deal- NSW supported Victoria in 2005 and Victoria supported NSW in 2006. It would seem Victoria honoured that deal.

I'm happy to remove any references to a "3-year deal". But my understanding was that Ryan Hamilton still challenged Michael de Bruyn in 2005, and Josh Rayner still challenged Camden Gilchrist in 2006. I'll make some changes, make some more if you want, without just blanking the whole section. Ben Raue (Talk) 02:29, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I refer Ben to the "Verifiability" policy:

1. Articles should contain only material that has been published by reliable sources.
2. Editors adding new material should cite a reliable source, or it may be challenged or removed by any editor.
3. The obligation to provide a reliable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not on those seeking to remove it.

Hence, the entire 'Decline of Student Unity' section has been removed pending the finding of reliable sources. - King Rod 02:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I have put the Decline secition back up, with references. All of this student politics stuff is very hard generally to verify, and by that sort of application you would have to delete all material relating to the National Union of Students and student politics in Australia.
Anyway, there definately was a 3 year agreement and it was reneged on by Vic and SA. Gilchrist was definately preslected over Raynor, and then lost the election to Chuk. There is no doubt concerning any of these facts.

OK, I may be wrong about there not being a 3 year deal - but that's a 3 year deal between QLD, SA and VIC. I know that VIC signed a deal with NSW in 2005 whereby they agreed to support NSW in 2006 (and NSW agreed to support VIC in 2005 giving De Bruyn Gen Sec). That is, VIC ratted on QLD and SA.

No, I'm afraid you have got the wrong info again, which makes we wonder who your source is. VIC only ratted on QLD. NSW opposed VIC in 2005 by supporting Ryan Hamilton and again in 2006 when they put Camden up. NSW and Victoria have had strained relations over the last couple of years, with NSW rather bitter at what happened in 2005, and deBruyn also disliking NSW. There always was going to be a contest between the two big states in 2005 and 2006. Horseshoesmith

The Decline section has been removed, pending Verifiability. If everything to do with NUS has to be removed, then so be it. Landeryou and Indymedia are not reliable sources, they are known (particularly Landeryou) for lax fact checking. Particularly, the Indymedia article is anonymous, a clear anti-Unity opinion piece and contains a number of clear factual errors (including the continual misspelling of Rayner, the current national convenor of the faction). - King Rod 06:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

You idiot. Complaining about verifiability when there has been verification and then adding your own false, competely unverified nonsense. If you don't like stuff that's not verified to your high standards, then dont contributre, just piss off and stop inventing lies on this website. Moron. Horseshoesmith

Nothing was invented - the page was actually just beginning to reach some form of consensus. Even Ben Raue didn't revert it and that's gotta be something. None of the references were removed, in fact they were put into the correct Wikipedia format. Some of the more wacky left stuff was taken out, but they (you?) still get a few good punches in. It's a fair article that isn't nuts. By the way, Josh Rayner is most certainly the National Convenor of Student Unity and if you don't know that then you are truly completely unqualified to speak on this article. I feel that mediation might be necessary here if you continue reverting. - King Rod 12:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The article does seem rather fair in its current form, and yes, Raynor definatly is the convenor LibStu 12:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)