Talk:Stuber (film)

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Spider-Man

Stuber was released while Spider-Man: Far From Home was dominating the box office. All three of the sources used in the box office section make this clear. However someone thought it worth emphasizing that Stuber and Crawl were released together, but to ignore the weight the source places on Spider-Man, the big film on release that has the biggest influence on the projected earnings of Stuber. If you want to leave the figures on their own without any mentioning other films at the box office that would be one thing, but I thought it was strange to only mention the film Crawl, while ignoring the Spider-Elephant in the room. Rather than deleting the mention to Crawl I added a mention of Spider-Man, which again all three sources where already emphasizing. If editors don't think there is any need to mention Spider-Man that is one thing, but then why is there any reason to mention Crawl? -- 109.78.229.145 (talk) 14:33, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious relevance still dubious. The sources are being ignored for the sake of reverting without thinking it through. This edit summary "Being released coincide with a film =/= a pre-released film it will compete against" still doesn't explain why Crawl is worth mentioning, and continues to ignore that fact that it is only relevant in the larger context of Spider-Man dominating the box office. -- 109.78.219.163 (talk) 13:37, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Look at the sources^[1]^[2]

References

^ Fuster, Jeremy (July 9, 2019). "Can 'Stuber' or 'Crawl' Find an Audience in 'Spider-Man'-Dominated Box Office?". TheWrap. Retrieved July 9, 2019.
^ D'Alessandro, Anthony (July 14, 2019). "Counterprogramming 'Crawl' & 'Stuber' Collateral Damage In Superhero Summer As 'Spider-Man' Climbs To $45M+ – Update". Deadline Hollywood. Retrieved July 14, 2019. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

"The new release slate for this weekend’s box office consists of two smaller budget films: Disney/Fox’s action-comedy “Stuber” and Paramount’s horror film “Crawl.” But in a month dominated by “Spider-Man: Far From Home” and “The Lion King” coming next weekend, it could be a struggle for either film to garner much attention."

"Counterprogramming continues to be a casualty in a tentpole-dominant summer, making many in the industry wonder: Should we have just designated these films to streaming?" ... "when smaller films like Paramount’s Crawl (now estimated at $12M opening in 3rd after a $4.2M Saturday, -3% from Friday) and Fox’s Stuber (still $8M after $2.9M Saturday, -6% from Friday) fail to pop, much of that has to do with (1) what they are inherently as product, or (2) a distribution/marketing fumble. And, yes, you still have behemoths like a Sony/Marvel movie Spider-Man: Far From Home and Disney’s Toy Story 4 vacuuming up most of the dollars in a given weekend,"

Stuber and Crawl are two smaller films trying to make money at the box office dominated by big blockbuster films. If the article is going to mention Crawl then it is strange to not put it in proper context and explain the distribution strategy, but both my efforts to expand and add context and then my edit to remove the mention of Crawl were reverted with little explanation. This is all a reflection of the larger trend of the biggest Hollywood films going even bigger, and the smaller films getting squeezed and struggling more than ever. Oh and Crawl ended up beating expectations while Stuber underperformed, again it's all in the sources already provided. -- 109.78.219.163 (talk) 13:37, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RfC notice

There is a request for comment whose outcome may affect this article: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film#RfC on distributor of post-merger Fox films. Nardog (talk) 16:32, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Distribution

Found a source to where it says it's distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures. Here's the description:

Directed by Michael Dowse (Goon) and produced by by Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daley, the duo behind Game Night and directors of the upcoming Flash movie, Stuber is a comedy about an Uber driver (Kumail Nanjiani) who picks up a detective (Dave Bautista) hot on the trail of a terrorist. The comedy will be the first R-rated movie distributed by Disney since The Fifth Estate back in 2013. After opening to mixed reviews at SXSW, Stuber will be released on July 12. https://screenrant.com/fox-movies-disney-releasing/

--XSMan2016 (talk) 02:36, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The reference says only distributed by Disney, not what specific part of Disney will be the distributor. The reference specifically does not mention Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures. 20th Century Fox is a part of Disney too and that is the credited distributor. Geraldo Perez (talk) 08:53, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Disney could also mean Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures. It was probably said as a short nickname; like Sony Pictures is often refereed as "Sony", 20th Century Fox is often called "Fox"... I could go on.

--XSMan2016 (talk) 09:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Disney by itself is short version of The Walt Disney Company. [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film#RfC on distributor of post-merger Fox films gives good description of what Disney is doing with stuff Fox creates. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:19, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, here's another source: (https://www.endorexpress.net/zslider/2019/05/walt-disney-studios-motion-pictures-release-schedule/), and it lists all the films (including the Fox films) released by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XSMan2016 (talk • contribs) 09:29, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That source explicitly credits Stuber as being released as a Fox film. -- Wikipedical (talk) 17:50, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, then why don't you find a source that says Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures is the distributor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by XSMan2016 (talk • contribs) 02:38, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's not how Wikipedia works. It's up to an editor inserting disputed information to provide the verifiable source. The film's credited distributor is 20th Century Fox. Contradicting that without a source is original research. -- Wikipedical (talk) 22:32, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, here's my latest search for a source that says Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures distributed:
“Stuber” is the first 20th Century Fox film to be distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures with an R-rating since Disney’s released “The Fifth Estate.” https://thedisneyblog.com/2019/04/09/first-trailer-poster-for-stuber-from-20th-century-fox/ --XSMan2016 (talk) 05:33, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note that thedisneyblog is a blog and a fansite not a reliable source. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:46, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Damn it! --XSMan2016 (talk) 06:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here is my next source that shows it's under release by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures. It says "Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures Release Schedule": https://www.waltdisneystudios.com/assets/disney-release-schedule-5.7.19.pdf XSMan2016 (talk) 01:05, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That document says what they are doing, not what they will be credited as. That supports them getting the "through" credit which we all know is what is happening. Fox is still the primary named distributor per other sources on all the stuff Fox produces. IMDb is accurate on what is happening. The actual full credit for distributor is "20th Century Fox (through Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures)", listed as just 20th Century Fox in the inbox, more, can be explained in the release section. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:08, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What difference does it make? I still wanna believe that Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures is currently distributor to the Fox films and how logically it is. XSMan2016 (talk) 03:11, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It matters because Disney wants to credit 20th Century Fox as the distributor and they have the right to do that. Disney owns the label and defines the credits. We just report them. Consider 20th Century Fox a brand name owned by Disney and that is how Disney wants to brand the film's distribution. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:16, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yet, as an example, Sony Pictures Releasing can't credit Columbia Pictures as distributor for its (Columbia) own films? XSMan2016 (talk) 03:38, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They don't because they don't want to, not because they can't. Disney has chosen to keep the 20th Century Fox distribution branding on Fox films, Disney owns the companies involved and Disney can do what they want with the credits. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:57, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Say, I had this come up a while ago. XSMan2016 (talk) 20:35, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You notice "FSL (meaning Fox Searchlight)", "DIS (meaning Walt Disney Pictures)", and "FOX (meaning 20th Century Fox)" behind the respective titles?

Well, my guess is that they're the names that are producing said respective films; therefore Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures is behind distributon, and Fox Searchlight and 20th Century Fox are behind producing. XSMan2016 (talk) 15:46, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Stuber

Does this film have any connection to Scott Stuber of Netflix? -- 109.79.172.203 (talk) 11:40, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's possible the writer (Tripper Clancy) knew of him and used it as an in-joke of some kind prior to selling the script, but they don't seem to have any direct connection. — stickguy (:^›)— || talk || 20:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Fuster, Jeremy (July 9, 2019). "Can 'Stuber' or 'Crawl' Find an Audience in 'Spider-Man'-Dominated Box Office?". TheWrap. Retrieved July 9, 2019.

[opening-2] D'Alessandro, Anthony (July 14, 2019). "Counterprogramming 'Crawl' & 'Stuber' Collateral Damage In Superhero Summer As 'Spider-Man' Climbs To $45M+ – Update". Deadline Hollywood. Retrieved July 14, 2019. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

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