Talk:Strong two clubs

Name?

To start cleanup with the name -- I don't think "Two club bid" is appropriate. It may even refer to 2♣ overcall. I don't know what is the most common name for the convention though—I usually call it "Grand forcing" but I don't think it's common in English; "Strong two clubs" is ugly but at least less ambiguous. Suggestions? Duja 12:08, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree that the article is very badly named. A correct name is not easy to find however. Perhaps Opening bid of 2 Clubs? Errabee 00:22, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the cleanup and improvement. "Strong artifical two clubs", or "Strong two clubs" as ugly as they sound, seem to have the greatest frequency of usage. I'll be bold and move it to Strong two clubs, which is kind of compromise between brevity and accuracy, and create appropriate redirects. Duja 07:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

You forgot Albarran-de Nexon answers (which in my humble opinion is the best system played after 2 strong clubs opening). After 2 strong clubs, partner replies as follows:

2D: Negative; no Ace, below 7-8 high card points
2H: Ace of hearts
2S: Ace of spades
2NT: No ace, but 8 high card points or higher
3C: Ace of clubs
3D: Ace of diamonds
3H: Two assorted aces; either red(Ad+Ah)/black(Ac+As), or major(Ah+As)/minor (Ac+Ad)
3S: Two unassorted aces; Ac+Ah, Ad+As (neither same color nor rank)
3NT: Three aces

If the opponents interfere, fall back into whatever Blackwood variants you and your partner agrees to play. Example:

N 2C
E double
S redouble (second level, 1-4 aces if Roman Blackwood)
etc.

N 2C
E 2D
S pass (first level, 0-3 aces if Roman Blackwood)
etc.

Roofred (talk) 15:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)