Talk:Storybound

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Possible deletion: some discussion warranted

This redirect was created in 2013 from one of three or so main titles used for a television series that aired on PBS for about thirty years. The article about that series, Cover to Cover, is under the most frequently-used title. The redirect was nominated for speedy deletion in order to make way for a move of the article "Storybound (podcast)", a podcast created at the end of 2019. As the creator of the redirect, I spent some time researching the criteria for deletion, and trying to find where to post this discussion—but all I found on the speedy deletion page was a reference to a button that should have been in the speedy deletion tag—and which I couldn't find there, so I'm just starting this discussion here normally.

An argument could probably be made that any media created in 2019 will be primary over a PBS program that doesn't have sustained national interest more than twenty years after going off the air. Certainly I'm sure that millions of people are currently aware of the ongoing podcast, while millions of former children who might have been touched by the PBS program will have only hazy memories of it and perhaps have no idea what it was called—I was one of them, and remember watching it in school—it usually aired during the day, not after I got home from school—so I had to do a bit of research to find the "most correct title" and its alternatives back when I was writing about the program in 2013.

Even though it's a fading part of history, something about this nomination bothers me—presumably the implication that the program itself is insignificant next to the power of the currently-produced podcast, and therefore doesn't need to be discussed at all. The nomination originally claimed that it was uncontroversial because the name wasn't mentioned in the target article, which was then corrected to "barely even mentions", implying that the reason it doesn't need to be discussed at all is because of the number or detail of mentions.

Perhaps this title should go to the podcast—but if so, then I think that the podcast needs a hatnote pointing at the television program. And even so, I think it was worth discussing on this talk page instead of going directly to speedy deletion. Is one article definitely primary, or are we just assuming that because a PBS program that was last produced before the internet was in every household isn't going to have a fraction as many Google hits as a podcast that's still in production? Does that even matter? I'm not sure what the answer is—but I think it might have been worth discussing before this redirect to speedy deletion. P Aculeius (talk) 22:00, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello P Aculeius, I didn't mean to upset anyone. The page dedicated to Cover to Cover (1965 TV program) will still exist if this redirect is deleted. I think if Storybound is not the primary name that Cover to Cover is known by than it would be appropriate to move the podcast to that name and add a hatnote to the page. TipsyElephant (talk) 00:26, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, when I nominated the redirect for deletion I only glanced at the page for Cover to Cover and I believe I attempted to CTRL-F to search for the word "Storybound" but didn't get results at first so I was frankly confused why it redirected to the page in the first place. I see now that it is an alternative name for the show, but still believe it makes sense to movd the podcast to the title considering that Storybound is the primary name for the podcast and is not the primary name for the TV show. Adding a hatnote is a good idea though. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:06, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I appreciate that. This is the discussion I hoped would happen. As I said, your points are well-taken—the question was simply one of due deliberation. I'm still not sure about the merits of the argument, but I propose leaving the discussion open a few days in case anybody else wants to weigh in on the deletion and move. If nobody else disagrees, then I'll support the proposal. P Aculeius (talk) 01:51, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that an admin went ahead with the deletion and move. I've created a new redirect called Storybound (TV program) that redirects to Cover to Cover (1965 TV program) and I've added a hatnote to the top of this page linking to the redirect. If others think this should be undone the can always comment here on the talk page in the future. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:18, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've tweaked the hatnote and moved it to the top (after the short description). Hope these changes seem appropriate. P Aculeius (talk) 22:29, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aculeius, I can restore the deleted revisions to under the Storybound (TV program) title. There is the create edit from 2013 and an edit by a bot in 2018. Let me know if you want this. Jay 💬 09:45, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really sure what the purpose of that would be at this time. It was always a redirect, and the page history isn't likely to supply anyone with additional details about the subject. Could you elaborate? P Aculeius (talk) 12:28, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is the page history of the redirect. Instead of the delete that happened, if the Storybound page was moved to Storybound (TV program) without leaving a redirect, it would have displayed the same page history. Jay 💬 15:05, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]