Talk:Storm (Marvel Comics)/Archive 3

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Archive 2

Archive 3

Current Profile Pic

The current picture doesn't meet guidelines. It's a profile view rather than a front view, and it has distracting background.

This: http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/img/s/Storm.jpg

Or this: http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/images/0809/WORLDSAPART1COV.jpg

Or this: http://stormantic.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/storm_by_arthur_adams.jpg

would be more appropriate.

But I don't know how to change it or how to make sure it's fair use and all that. 70.226.171.2 (talk) 21:52, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Remember to put new topics at the bottom of the talk page. As for the image guidelines, that is correct. I would consider most of the images offered instead to be problematic for a few reasons: The first is too blurry, the second is not marvel property, so it'd be more difficult to establish free use, and the third has the same background issue. I will also try to find a more suitable image, but if you find another, please feel free to offer it up here for suggestion to other editors.Luminum (talk) 22:27, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I would think there would also be two sourcing problems with all 3: 1) What is the original published source and 2) is there a web source other than "Here, have a raw picture"? - J Greb (talk) 00:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the third's source can be established as the unedited cover art for Storm's most recent solo series (Worlds Apart, I think), so that's not a problem.Luminum (talk) 07:31, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

The current one is kinda badly drawn anyway. The hip-to-waist ratio employed is making me cringe. Wasn't there an earlier profile picture that looked a lot better then this one? I think it was a side view though. Regardless, once I have access to open internet (at work right now), I'll help look for a better picture. - Tainted Conformity ^SCREAM 05:22, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Aesthetics aside (since we can go on and on about how the Land picture isn't actually that much better) I've uploaded this image [1] and cleaned it from Uncanny X-Men 447. This is basically Storm's present costume, the template design they've used for her vast extraneous media depictions, such as in the children's line, the current animated shows, and the models who dressed like her on Deal or No Deal. This is the best fit with the image guidelines. It has a neutral background, has a full-body, clear depiction of the character facing 3/4 and is not overly stylized.Luminum (talk) 19:55, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure which pic you're referring to, but the pick as of my signature is her 2004 XSE custume, which is different than her current custume - the one that's more akin to her 70's custume, only white. So, NO, the Uncanny X-Men 447 is not "basically Storm's present costume." So, either go to the current custume that's found in Astonishing X-Men, or keep the more recent pic from Greg Land which shows both her control over lightning and rain. Yes, full-body depiction is great, but not if it's not the current costume. If we don't care about whether we use the current custume or not, why not just go with any of her custumes and just find the best picture, period. Unless you can find a great picture of her current custume, we can't have it both ways and are left with either a great picture or a more current custume. But, currently, the picture is not that great and it's not even her current custume - so it's 0 for 2. --RossF18 (talk) 17:58, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

If you read above, I stated that this is the costume that is used as the template for her various media depictions as of present. Character images are not subject to the most current costume, they're subject to one that is most widely used or recognized, hence I stated that this is the costume she uses in XSE, which is the basic template for the costume she has in the "kid friendly" Marvel lines (which you can see from the previous suggested images someone uploaded as options) and it's the costume Marvel used to dress models for the show Deal or No Deal during their Storm/X-Men theme. Aside from being black rather than blue, it's basically the same costume she has in the most recent animated series and the one used in all other comics at present with the exception of Astonishing X-Men. That Astonishing costume (and the one right before it) isn't used in any other publication where Storm appears.

There is no stipulation that the image should depict power use, and "it's not a good image" is a pretty poor argument that you haven't elaborated on. What is poor about it? It fills all the requirements of the image page—it's not blurry, it's full body, 3/4 perspective, it's more or less the one that Marvel is promoting for the character both in and out of the comic publication realm, and it's completely sourced. You're going to be hard pressed to find another image that fills those criteria. But, if you can find a good argument against it or an even better image, please feel free to throw it up on the page and discuss it here.

The Greg Land image itself isn't terrible, but technically, even the Humberto Ramos image is a better fit per the ComicsProject guidelines. The Land image shows her from the side (including only half of her face), her eyes are closed, you can't see her body, and the background is relatively distracting. If you wanted a good Land image, the one I can think of that would fit all the requirements would be a cleaned up shot of that full-body image of her from X-Men—Phoenix: Endsong.Luminum (talk) 21:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I've replaced the previous image with the one I mentioned in the discussion above. This is because the previous image had a grainier look, and the new image is clearer. I edited the image to remove text balloons and touched it up to account for those removals. The background was removed as well. The current image also fulfills the criterion equivalently to the previous image.Luminum (talk) 09:17, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Greg Land!

Hey can someone please put Greg Lands, picture of Storm back up? It's a really awesome expressive picture of storm looking up into the rain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.141.252 (talk) 23:14, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't fit the criteria for the page. Check out the discussion above for more info.Luminum (talk) 04:46, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

well maybe it could be put later in the article for her 2000s costume —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.108.194 (talk) 06:48, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Page move

Shouldn't this article be renamed to Storm (comics)? Like Wolverine (comics), Beast (comics), Cyclops (comics), etc. -- CollisionCourse (talk) 03:47, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I apologize. Just saw the reason why it has "Marvel" in the title. -- CollisionCourse (talk) 03:49, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Lesbian relationship with Yukio?

Was this ever actually stated in the comics? I've been reading the comics for years, and this is the first I've heard of this as anything but fan speculation. Given his statements about the Destiny/Mystique relationship, I can believe that Claremont intended this too, but is there any real evidence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.255.29.99 (talk) 16:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

I believe there was visual confirmation of it in the Black Panther title during the period she was married to T'Challa where the art depicts all of previous romances/sexual partners and Yukio is one of the people featured. You'd need someone who's actually read the comic to verify it though. Misterandersen (talk) 02:06, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Someone keeps adding it, despite any clear comment about it ever being made. It can only be put there if it is stated overtly or if Claremont or someone else makes an official comment on it. Until then it's just OR/Spec and repeated addings should be considered vandalism. Thanks for pointing it out.Luminum (talk) 18:00, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

For future reference, this interview with Claremont points out that he never thought about/had plans for Yukio and Storm being written as a lesbian couple or with a subtext. His actual exploration of that theme was loosely with Misty Knight and Colleen Wing.[2]Luminum (talk) 16:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Storm is definitely an Omega-level mutant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.230.127.120 (talk) 06:48, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Infobox

Concerning the powers listed there, it seems like, even though the infobox is meant to quickly summarize, if it is to be an accurate summary, it should contain all of Storm's powers. If she is resistant to temperature extremes, that could be listed as a separate power. But "weather resistant" power is actually pretty inscrutable. I don't really see it explained in detail in the main article. I don't see mention of immunity to extreme temperatures in the main article either. I think the powers in the article body should be reviewed, and the listbox should be cleared and rewritten to more clearly summarize them. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 13:40, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

First off, there isn't a source claiming that she is "resistant to weather effects". Truthfully, it should probably be deleted out of the box. In every X-Men series, this character never displayed immunity to the weather. Every time the elements were turned against her, she suffered the expected fate. I would agree about rewritting the infobox. There are also too many names/aliases. I don't recall seeing a reference for "Mutate #20". Above all, when considering any aspect of infobox design, keep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize key facts in the article in which it appears. The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance. For further information, please refer to this special Wikipedia page Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#Purpose of an infobox. Marvelct124 (talk) 13:49, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I agree with Torchiest, obviously. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 15:05, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

If a source is not added stating that she is "resistant to weather and elemental effects", I am going to remove it completely from the infobox. Powers that she allegedly has does not belong here. No one has yet to offer up a reliable source. I will remove this on Friday (4/11). Marvelct124 (talk) 15:07, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I replied at WT:COMICS. BOZ (talk) 23:33, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

External Links

Due to the current external links, do you think it is a good idea for people who want more information on the character to have a character analysis podcast that takes an academic and in-depth look as to her inner workings and context in and outside of comics to have something else to source?

http://comicsverse.com/episode-63-x-mens-storm-the-most-recognizable-black-superhero/

Cincinattus79 (talk) 09:59, 24 March 2016 (UTC)