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September 2007

Hiya,

My family and I now live in Australia but we had a farm near Storton (from approx 1953-1961)and I have many beautiful memories of times spent in the area and especially in the woods. I attended Birkenhead Primary which was a reasonably short bus ride from Storeton.

I'm wondering whether there is anyone else who may have lived in the area that I can reminisce with about the wild Daffodils and Bluebells that carpeted the woods every Spring.

121.216.3.92 12:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Empire State Building

I dont think its true that stone from the quarry is the stone used to clad the State building. I believe the stone used came from the Empire Quarry in Bedford, Indiana. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.102.197.67 (talk) 14:03, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds exceptionally unlikely to me too. The quarry was filled in with material from the construction of the Queensway Tunnel before the construction on the Empire State Building started. I cannot find any reference for this claim other than web pages that appear to be WP inspired and so not really helpful. The Empire State Building page contradicts this claim as well. Francis Davey (talk) 21:12, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ghmyrtle,

I see you have reverted an edit I made on the use of Storeton stone on the Empire State Building,from doing a bit of research on this point I have come to the conclusion that no stone from this quarry was used as cladding on the Empire Building. The stone that was used came from the Empire Quarry in Indiana USA (http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/empire-state-quarry)(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Limestone). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.224.118.107 (talk) 13:56, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that the British Geological Survey is a reliable source and, so far as I know, you are not. Original research is not allowed here - so, before we publish the results of your research you need to have it authenticated and published either by the BGS or by someone else of equivalent professional standing. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Point taken. The BGS doesn't seem to give any reasonable source *itself*. Mum has got annoyed about this and will try to write it up for a published source (possibly a Birkenhead History Newsletter) or something, so we can at least cite that. One of the many reasons I am sceptical about this is that the Empire State Building is faced in Limestone and there really isn't any limestone in Storeton Quarry because.Francis Davey (talk) 22:04, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You could write to the BGS, and ask them to check their claim against your knowledge. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:50, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think mum has done so, but I can't recall where she got to with that. I will talk to her about it at some point. But yes, good idea. I did wonder whether this wasn't a garbled story about the Empire State Plaza (which does use a lot of imported stone) but I can't find any reference to Storeton Quarry there. Francis Davey (talk) 10:25, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see that someone has removed the reference. I just want to add that I have tried to get Mum to publish an article about this - she's an esteemed local historian and author of a history of Birkenhead - but she is very old school when it comes to this sort of thing and it isn't something that is obviously of academic interest on its own. She did contact the BGS author who had no source for his claim and could not recall why he thought so. It is a persistent local rumour, but it is simply not credible. Sigh. Sometimes WP exhausts me. Francis Davey (talk) 19:03, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, it was me who made that 1st comment you replied to, 10 years ago now haha. Glad to see someone's seen some sense and removed the reference. I tried editing the page a couple of years later but another user (Ghmyrtle) reverted it back, Wonder who it was and why they eventually changed it. 2A02:C7C:2C98:4D00:CC18:CC3:FCE:3833 (talk) 18:10, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's interesting. The reference to its use in the Empire State Building was originally added here in 2007, by Snowy 1973, who hasn't edited for over a year now, so I don't know if they will see this message to explain where they got their information from. I believe it was from the British Geological Survey - certainly, there is a BGS document, Geology of the Liverpool District: A Brief Explanation of the Geological Map, by A. S. Howard, also published in 2007, which says (p.28): "Stone from the quarry was used to clad parts of the Empire State Building in New York...". Here is a 2005 mention of the same story. The mention was removed from our article by an anonymous editor in France in 2021, with the edit summary "There is no reliable record to the effect that Storeton quarry stone was used in the construction of New York's Empire State Building". I suspect that the story dates back decades, but I don't know its origin or whether there was any truth in it. Certainly, the story was not started by Wikipedia! Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:48, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]