Talk:Stillwater, Pennsylvania

Jethro

I have made repeated reversion to information about Leroy Jethro Gibbs and his addition to this page. Please provide references for this and I will be happy to leave it. In fact, I will work to improve the information. The references need to be outside websites, like the official NCIS website. Also the relevance of this matter needs to be discussed. If Jethro's connection to Stillwater is not central to the plot, I see no reason to keep it. And is the Stillwater in the story a real place or simply fictional. For example does Stillwater have a train station where the fictional character could've met his lady love? --Dincher (talk) 22:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree - he is a fictional character and can not be a resident. See WP:IN-U - articles that mention fiction should be written from an out-of-universe perspective. If justified by a reference to a reliable source, there should be a section called something like "In popular culture" and then a sentence like "In the television show NCIS, the lead character Leroy Jethro Gibbs (potrayed by actor Mark Harmon) is said to be from Stillwater, and met his first wife there.[ref]" I would also watch WP:3RR. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 23:09, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I still believe that the Stillwater in question in the T.V. show cannot be the real Stillwater. Stillwater, Pennsylvania is very, very small. Does it really have a train station? I think that the writers of NCIS are being creative in saying that the fictional character is from what is in their minds a fictional place. The name is a coincidence. This cannot be similar to The Office and Scranton where Scranton is a central element to the series. Dincher (talk) 05:03, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Also I am pretty sure that Stillwater is not close enough to "coal country." Anthracite coal mining does take place in Columbia County, but it is to the south of Stillwater in the Centralia area. Dincher (talk) 05:08, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Here is a map of Pennsylvania coal fields which shows that Stillwater is not on any major deposits. Here is a map of Pennsylvania railroads that shows no rail line comes near it. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:14, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for confirming that information with links. "'Cause I said so." isn't good enough. Dincher (talk) 03:53, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Not to muddy the waters on this issue, but various clues are dropped in the episode pointing to the real community (area code, street name, even the placement of a copy of the Press Enterprise). It could also possible that there very likely could have been a railroad station (seeing as how railroads were more extensive in '60s and '70s than today). However, it was very obvious that no filming was done in Pennsylvania (most like someplace in California). ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​^{Don't give up the ship} 22:32, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. A rail line is shown on the historic PennDOT map from 1914 (it ran from Sullivan County south to Benton then on south to Stillwater, then SW on to Bloomsburg). In the 1941 map the line ended at Benton. It was still shown on the 1963 map, but the line is not shown on the 1982 map. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 00:39, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I guess the in pop culture information should go back. If they are taking the time to make sure that a paper like the Press-Enterprise is included in scenes, then they must have the real Stillwater in mind. Dincher (talk) 01:21, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I changed the header from "Stillwater in popular culture" to just "In popular culture" per WP:HEAD (don't repeat all or part of the title in headers). I also checked the CBS.com source and the plot summary of the episode on TV.com and neither mentioned the cola mines statement. I do not doubt that the character said it, but if none of the reliable external sources do, is it really worth mentioning (especially when the real Stillwater seems to be far enough from any coal deposits to preclude mines there). Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:45, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

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