Talk:Steve Wynn/Archives/2015

Missing Finger

no mention about his missing index finger and how it happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.196.78.238 (talk) 06:55, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Surname change

The sentence changed the family's last name in 1946 from "Weinberg" to "Wynn" when Steve was six months old cannot be correct if he was born in January 1942. //Knuckles (talk) 09:58, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Steve Wynn net worth

The Nasdaq.com figures, that are far more accurate than Forbes source, indicate that, as per SEC Form 4, in January, 2015 Steve Wynn held 1.1 million shares of WYNN stock that, as of today are worth about $850 million, given that the stock has collapsed some 50% in just the past 9 months alone. Could anybody explain how Forbes can justify or rationalize that Wynn's net worth is approximately $2.6 billion when the man himself once stated that most of his net worth consists of Wynn stock? Although he owns several expensive paintings and some real estate, that cumulative figure can not possibly account for the $1.8 billion shortfall between the current value of his sharply devalued Wynn stock and Forbes unsupported, invalid, net worth estimate.

Revised Wiki Data2 (talk) 15:32, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

• Forbes is a reliable source, and if their current number is inaccurate, they will most probably update it in due course. Your suggestion amounts to original research or at least synthesis. Please refer to Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources and Wikipedia:No original research for our policies in this area. I notice that you have only edited on Steve and Elaine Wynn, so you might want to look at Wikipedia:Single-purpose account too. Edwardx (talk) 18:10, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Actually, Forbes is a very tendentious source on this particular issue, since the editor (steve forbes) is a billionaire himself and, in terms of "agenda," naturally, imparts info that undermines or supports members of his own social circle of billionaires. In terms of single purpose issues, since you wish to cast ad hominem innuendo upon this matter, I wonder why you were so quick to reinstate net worth figures (for Steve and Elaine Wynn) that are so incontrovertibly inaccurate, based upon the empirical data I supplied. Are you in their employ because, per NPOV regs, the employees, friends, relatives, etc., are not supposed to edit the listing? I edit all variety of topics on Wiki under various IDs but, as you might understand, certain types of powerful figures are very vindictive when somebody attempts to place accurate and truthful data that undermines populist perception of those powerful figures....ergo, the creation of a new Wiki ID to reflect the FACT that those two figures net worth has plunged as a result of the analogous collapse in their key stockholding. Cast in the best light, the Forbes data is very outdated. Thanx.

Revised Wiki Data2 (talk) 18:35, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

• Steve Forbes is probably richer than me, but he's no billionaire. And I don't work for him or Forbes magazine. If you have an issue with Forbes as a WP:RS, you should raise that elsewhere. Regarding your "various IDs", are you familiar with WP:Multiple accounts? Edwardx (talk) 19:28, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I understand and respect the aspirations behind the regs. But in a de facto sense, I know of at least five other Wiki editors utilizing multiple ID accounts, often with the same rationale as my own... a desire to post potentially controversial material that might upset the pertinent individual(s). I utilize one main ID for 95% of my postings, so I think the spirit of the intention is upheld. By the way, I never suggested you worked for "Forbes," rather I wondered if you served to defend the Wynn interests in this matter? Finally, given that the current market cap of Wynn Resorts corp is now about $7.75 billion (or less), given that the two Wynns do not own more than 20% of the company stock, then please explain which non-stock assets account for the huge discrepancy in their alleged net worth? According to their respective Wikis, you are claiming that the two Wynns possess a cumulative net worth that would be equivalent to the current market value of more than 50% of Wynn Resorts Corp? Absolutely inconceivable. In any case, I choose not to argue this matter any further. Let it stand on record that I provided Nasdaq.com info that badly contradicts the Forbes.com info...that I strongly believe that the Nasdaq.com data is far more accurate .....and, to that effect, the current Wiki net worth is hugely overstated, reflecting an overstatement of at least $1.5 billion, vis a vis Steve Wynn, and an overstatement of at least $700 million dollars vis a vis Elaine Wynn. When my figures are proven to be correct, as they happen to be, it would be nice to see summary edits that reflect that fact, along with an apology from the relevant Wiki editors. Thanx.

Revised Wiki Data2 (talk) 20:25, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

20:16, 25 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Revised Wiki Data2 (talk • contribs)

Forbes is a reliable source. It is not our job as Wikipedia editors to be investigative reporters. We simply relay information taken from reliable, independent sources.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:43, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

take note: you may wish to consider including Steve Wynn in categories that other Wiki editors already assigned to Elaine Wynn. Seems strange to see Elaine Wynn listed in "American company founders" or "American corporate directors" even while her husband has been omitted. It is especially strange considering that Elaine Wynn no longer serves as a Wynn board director. However, there ought to be full consonance between both Wiki listings....if the editors of the Elaine Wynn Wiki consider her to be a co-founder of Mirage and Wynn resorts, it is a glaring omission to omit such info at the Steve Wynn Wiki...and, analogously, if the editors of the Elaine Wynn Wiki feel that, despite her recent ouster, she qualifies as an "American corporate director," then it is absurd to omit Steve Wynn from such a category, especially since he remains on the BOD, and Elaine does not. The existing contradictions between the two Wiki listings are simply unacceptable insofar as creating confusion about the true history of the respective corporations and, in my mind, the Elaine Wynn Wiki seems most detached from reality Revised Wiki Data2 (talk) 10:50, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

If you think that the Elaine Wynn article is detached from reality, then why have you edited this article to agree with it? Please don't edit to make a point. If you think that article is wrong, be bold and try to fix it. Toohool (talk) 17:40, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Attempts to remedy deficiencies in the two listings have been undermined repeatedly by two primary gatekeeper editors; ergo, if the science fiction must persist insofar as the litany of inaccuracies, then at the very least, the two listings ought to expunge numerous contradictions that suggest Steve Wynn unilaterally created The Mirage and Wynn Resorts. If Elaine Wynn truly was a co-founder of The Mirage and Wynn Resorts, as her Wiki insists, then the task of remedying the extant Steve Wynn Wiki must continue in order to remedy the many errors suggesting that The Mirage and Wynn Resorts were sole creations of Steve Wynn. Revised Wiki Data2 (talk) 18:46, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Again, do not edit to make a point. If you disagree with the content of the Elaine Wynn article, you should continue discussing it on the talk page, and if that leads nowhere, consider dispute resolution. Since your changes regarding Elaine being a co-founder of the companies are unsourced (and they are rather thinly sourced in Elaine's article), and it's clear that you don't even believe them, I am reverting your changes here. Toohool (talk) 01:13, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I understand your perspective in this matter but, that said, the opening paragraph makes no sense whatsoever. It quotes 2014 data that is egregiously outdated.....the current market capitalization of Wynn Resorts is $7.5 billion, NOT anywhere close to the $22 billion figure cited....and, as explained previously, that makes the Steve Wynn net worth figure (cited by Forbes) egregiously outdated as well. Essentially, Wynn stock has collapsed some 65% since the 2014 info provided in the opening paragraph--and for that reason, the 2014 info purveyed seems promotional, in the vein of an advertisement, considering how wrong it happens to be today. So, as per your request, will not reinstate the Elaine Wynn info, but will expunge the flagrant inaccuracies in the opening paragraph that no longer pertain to the current market cap of the Wynn corp. Revised Wiki Data2 (talk) 09:10, 27 August 2015 (UTC)