This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Journalism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of journalism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.JournalismWikipedia:WikiProject JournalismTemplate:WikiProject JournalismJournalism articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject U.S. Congress, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the United States Congress on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.U.S. CongressWikipedia:WikiProject U.S. CongressTemplate:WikiProject U.S. CongressU.S. Congress articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject College football, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of college football on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.College footballWikipedia:WikiProject College footballTemplate:WikiProject College footballcollege football articles
This article has been automatically rated by a bot or other tool because one or more other projects use this class. Please ensure the assessment is correct before removing the |auto= parameter.
I'm going to remove the comments about Steve Symms being a member of the JBS. I've found sites listing him as a member of the Society on other websites, but nothing about him being a member on the JBS website. I'm inclined to think that if Symms was a member of the JBS, it would trumpet that. It's not shy about telling which prominent people are affiliated with it. So I'll remove the reference but if someone finds some concrete evidence, by all means please restore it. MKilMKil
In the 1988 presidential election, at the behest of Lee Atwater, Symms floated a false rumor that Kitty Dukakis, the wife of Democratic presidential candidate Michael Dukakis, had burned an American flag to protest the Vietnam War, as well as a claim that Dukakis himself had been treated for a mental illness.
No one has seriously suggested that Atwater was responsible for Symms's statement about Mrs. Dukakis. The rumor about Dukakis being treated by a psychiatrist(sp?) came from the LaRouche organization and got significant media attention when Reagan made the "I'm not going to pick on an invalid" joke. Ellsworth14:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Srich (I'm pinging you as I don't know whether this is on your watchlist on not), original research is material for which no reliable, published sources exist – are you suggesting that the New York Times is not a reliable source? It's the paper of record, man. How is that not reliable. The Associated Press is a reliable source as well. Also, it isn't our opinion, it's the opinion of "liberal opponents" as I noted in my edit. I'll remove the "terrible" part and just put "criticized by liberal opponents for his civil rights record", if you believe that will make it NPOV. Also, it isn't synthesis if I'm stating material not published by one of the sources. Symms himself even gave a reason for voting against a civil rights bill because, in his words, "It's just another layer of the federal government that we don't need" and that free market should determine how many housing units there are for disabled. I didn't state anything not explicitly stated by the source. I stated "criticized by liberal opponents". Indeed, in one of his liberal opponents, Marilyn Shuler of the Idaho Human Rights Commission, stated that "I'm saddened that, once again, Sen. Symms has chosen not to support civil rights legislation." I believe my edits were entirely sound. I'd like to hear an argument for why they weren't, but I'd need to hear it quickly. Scaravich105nj (talk) 01:17, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. Let's look at the NYT story on the Civil Rights bill. Symms is mentioned as voting against it. But was there any criticism of him from any groups for having done so? None that I see in my quick scan of the article. So there is SYN gong on when the WP paragraph starts with the description of his "dismal/terrible" civil rights record (for which he has been criticized). But since the NYT article does not mention criticism, it is improper to add it to the paragraph. Moreover, saying "one of only five to vote against" is adding an editorial description. – S. Rich (talk) 01:25, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, he was one of three. But now we're getting into the area of WP:UNDUE when we have one person (not a group) saying she was "saddened" by the vote. Also, the particular vote comes under WP:NOTNEWS. – S. Rich (talk) 01:35, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
