Talk:Stereotype (disambiguation)

"stereotype" does not mean "stereotypes of animals"

I recently removed Stereotypes of animals from the list of terms that stereotype can refer to (but left it on the page, in the "See also" section). User Lembit Staan has requested that I discuss this on the talk page.

The logic here is clear. MOS:DABNOENTRY says, "Do not include entries for topics that are not ambiguous (according to the linked article) with the title." Stereotypes of animals is not ambiguous with stereotypes. If someone says (or searches for) stereotypes, they don't mean stereotypes of animals. Dan Bloch (talk) 03:38, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, you are misunderstanding the guideline (or it is written sloppily). Lincoln (disambiguation) includes the item Lincoln, Nebraska, which is thoroughly not ambiguous. The first and usually the only question must be asked "May this item be called simply "Stereotype" (or "Lincoln)? Lembit Staan (talk) 03:45, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I double-checked and it is written almost OK. DABNOENTRY down the road does say "This does not apply if the subject is commonly referred to simply by Title". I will go to the talk page there and suggest to put the latter phrase into the first paragrsaph, because it is of major importance. Also, I noticed other issues there. Lembit Staan (talk) 03:50, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

P.P.S. And the very definition of the DAB page on top of this guideline says so: "...when different topics could be referred to by the same search term". Lembit Staan (talk) 03:56, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is my argument. "Stereotypes of animals" can *not* be referred to simply as "stereotypes". This is like saying that dogfood can be referred to simply as food. Dan Bloch (talk) 05:00, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, disagreed. And I already mentioned I have a proof, which you ignored. Once again, I strongly suggest to use google. You will readily find phrases like: "These age-old misleading stereotypes continue to resurface in popular culture and media today, with wolves constantly depicted as ominous and dangerous threats". You also ignored my comparison with Lincoln. By your logic "Lincoln College" cannot be called simply Lincoln. Tell this to Lincoln students. Lembit Staan (talk) 16:01, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did check. A Google search for "stereotypes" shows no results about stereotypes for animals; that is, your proof supports my position. The wolf article just shows that once an author has already told the reader that the article is about wolves, he doesn't have to repeat this by saying "stereotypes about wolves". Lincoln College is called "Lincoln" by people who attend it, who have graduated from it, or who live near it. There are no people anywhere who say "stereotypes" to mean stereotypes about animals.

The statement "Stereotypes may also refer to: Stereotypes of animals" is false, and should not appear in Wikipedia. Dan Bloch (talk) 16:26, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If the above fails to change your mind, I believe the next step is asking for comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation. Agreed? Dan Bloch (talk) 16:31, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that could be handy. However now it seems the issue is not a policy but whether the statement There are no people anywhere who say "stereotypes" to mean stereotypes about animals is true. Well, you cannot prove this without a solid reference, while I can prove it by giving examples. In addition to the wolf example above, here is a scientific paper: "Animals as social objects: Groups, stereotypes, and intergroup threats". And with your explanation of the wolf and Lincoln cases you shoot yourself in the foot: yes, once the context is established, people start using a shorter term, be it "Lincoln" or "stereotype", etc. Lembit Staan (talk) 17:06, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I decided that the issue is not worth wasting other people's time, so I am reverting to your version. By the way, the term "stereotype" is used in contexts other than humans and animals and printing. Some dictionaries do mention this generic meaning, synonymous to "cliche", but this is a dicdef and I see no encyclopedic content in it. Lembit Staan (talk) 17:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. Thank you. Nothing in my previous experience on Wikipedia led me to expect that. I'll try to pass it on the next time I get in a debate. Regrds, Dan Bloch (talk) 17:48, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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