Talk:Steffany Gretzinger

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The use of the Bethel Music citation

It is not appropriate sourcing to use the label of the individual artist, repeatedly, as a source of career chronology and related factual information, because it is indirectly self-published, and so not independent of artists' representations of themselves. This gives the appearance that such articles are a promotional venues for the artist and their label.

Independent, third-party sources (magazine and newspaper pieces, print and web) are the sources to look to, to describe the releases of material. I will use the AllMusic biography to replace some of these citations, moving them to external links. But the dedicated editors must properly respect this BLP subject, and the encyclopedia, and not continue to present material that is from sources closely tied (non-independent) to the artist. It will eventually be caught and removed, and often not gently. Cheers. Le Prof 73.210.155.96 (talk) 14:43, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Question on proper use of background parameter for infobox

A question was brought to my talk page since I made the edit adding the background parameter to the infobox musical artist. This is it (courtesy add) …for the infobox edit, at Steffany Gretzinger. The "solo" designation that you added—where can I find the other options for this data field? This solo does not seem full accurate. Cheers, will look in here. Le Prof 73.210.155.96 (talk) 01:13, 2 April 2017 (UTC)}}[reply]

I have placed the WikiProject Musicians banner at the top, where you can link through to see their infobox information. Even though it seems the format as designated in a word category is limiting, you will probably find the others do not fit exactly either. But the infobox is a template and allowable parameters to use in any template are built into the template. You can't make up your own parameters to use with an existing template.

So first when an editor places a made up parameter or it is not yet filled in on a page with the infobox, it ends up in this Category:Infobox musical artist with missing or invalid Background field. An administrator has nicely placed the directions on the category to help explain. If you look back at the history of the article in this diff where you edited; [1] down at the bottom of the article in the categories you can see the blue-linked category. Click through to see the list of articles and the instructions. Click through here and scroll down: Template:Infobox_musical_artist. The directions for choosing a background are rather constrained but they are only these and one must be used. If you enter anything else (ie 'rapper' it will be an error). The background decides not only the category, but also the identifying background color for the infobox. Hope this helps. I have this page on my watch now, or you may ping me. On my talk page I have placed the entire six choices, but I believe the 'solo_singer' designation is the correct choice. All the best, Fylbecatulous talk 12:11, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, thanks, thanks, all clear amd understood, and good to move forward. (Field will remain as is.) Cheers, Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 00:26, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done with "Under Construction" and "In Use" period

I've made enough progress for this to return to regular editing, so swapping between these two work tags will now end. The work of completing and uniformly formatting citations, expanding the sourcing (including replacing the Bethel-only sourcing of music releases) is not completely done—the point of progress is marked with an in-text note—but can continue to progress as time permits. The point of interrupting normal editing was to change the trajectory of the article, from unsourced, or non-independent, or self-published sources, to third party sources as much as possible. This change in direction is clear, and far enough along for me to pull back.

Finally, the Further reading section makes clear that there has been, and continues to be, sufficient independent written work to support the article. If editors add the {{BLP unsourced}} tag while editing, the "News" and the "Books" tabs will provide further potential sources. The books, in particular, that mention Bethel and Gretzinger were only superficially sampled in this recent push (appearing now, to a limited degree, in the Influences section). I will continue to look in as time permits. Cheers, bonne chance, to regular contributing edutors. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 00:55, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dead links in citations

Just a friendly reminder that the rule at WP:DEADREF is "Do not delete a citation merely because the URL is not working." The English Wikipedia has a process for dealing with dead links. (Do please remove dead links from ==External links== sections, where different rules apply.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:43, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, no crap? Aside from being dead the links didn't reference the subject of the paragraph they where the citations to anyway. So they were irrelevant. I guess Walter is fine with links that don't contain the proper information though. Since he reverted the change anyway. For some none sense reason that had nothing to do with why I removed them in the first place. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:10, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If they're dead, how do you know that they didn't reference the subject? I reverted with a reason my bias editor friend. What was that again?. Oh, not only did I link to WP:DEADLINK, but I fixed the link supplying https://www.facebook.com/pg/SteffanyDawnGretzinger/about , and it actually does support the content, but you have to click on the JavaScript button where it reads: Her mother was a wri... See more. Doing so reveals, "Steffany first came to Bethel Church in 2008 to attend Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry (BSSM)". Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:58, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]