Talk:Stefanos Kasselakis

DOB

Earlier today SKAI TV channel mentioned on air Kasselakis was born on the 29th of March 1988. Once the video is up I will add it as a reference. Weatherextremes (talk) 08:29, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

I have added SKAI TV source on his birthday. At 1 hour and 10 minutes of the video you can see confirmation of his DOB. Weatherextremes (talk) 10:45, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Spouse

A random IP keeps deleting spouse info and other details. I have reverted. Please discuss here your rationale. Weatherextremes (talk) 16:28, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Politician

Yet another random IP keeps deleting political status. Please discuss here your rationale and refrain from editing out without consensus. Weatherextremes (talk) 10:54, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Kasselakis, a Republican (?)

I am replying here to a comment made in my talk page, as I think that the discussion might be of interest to other editors of the article now or in the future.

I recently added to the article the piece of information that since 2013 Kasselakis had been registered in the electoral rolls of the state of NY -- and that he had been registered as a Republican until 2019. Lidistat67 later removed this information writing in the edit's description that it "has been proven to be fake news".

According to the article I used a source, the issue began when Kostis Lympouridis searched for the name Stefanos Kasselakis in digital records of NY electoral rolls (see here). Whenever one enters "Stefanos" in the "first name" field, "Kasselakis" in the "last name" field and opts to use a FOIL request from 2019 backwards get a result indicating "REP"[=ublican] as party affiliation for Kasselakis. The party affiliation remains blank for FOIL requests after 2020. The address registered is different for the years before and after 2019. This means Kasselakis was registered initially as a Republican until becoming an independent sometime in 2019 (and moving addresses).

After Lympouridis had publicly released that info, the Estia newspaper ran a frontpage stating that Kasselakis is a "Member of the Republicans" and that "The president of SYRIZA was registed in the party of Donald Trump in 2023". Kasselakis tweeted this was a "far right" fabrication that "invented that he supposedly was registering with the Republicans at the USA when in talks with SYRIZA in Greece". As Lympouridis later stated in the article I used as a source, the claim in Estia's frontpage is "absolutely false, this [=Kasselakis being a registered Republican in 2023] does not follow from the documents and it obviously an invention of the newspaper" ("απολύτως λάθος, δεν προκύπτει από αυτό το έγγραφο και είναι ξεκάθαρα αυτοσχεδιασμός της εφημερίδας")

However, Kasselakis had also tweeted that "the [electronic] system does not show me registered with any party" ("το σύστημα δεν με εμφανίζει εγγεγραμμένο σε κανένα κόμμα.") As anyone can see if s/he bothers to check for her/himself here, this is plainly not so for years from 2019 backwards. While it is true that major news outlets have not (yet) covered this, the evidence on which Lympouridis's article is based is actually irrefutable and has not been challenged by anyone except the person in question which naturally cannot be taken as a valid source of information for himself. This is the reason I reinstated this information to the article and I think it should stay there. Ashmedai 119 (talk) 04:56, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

What you wrote here is original research and should not be used as a standalone source for him being in the Republican Party. No major Greek media outlets have reported the validity of this.

It is only fair that the mentions of him being in the Republican Party should be followed by his own denial/dispute.

News247 source Bly000 (talk) 21:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I am actually not writing anything that is not already included in the article that you removed from the encyclopedia, so there is no original research, which means "material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published source exists". The fact that major Greek media have not picked up on this (yet) does not diminish the validity of the claims therein made or the evidence, which anyone can verify by herself/himself. Finally, Kasselakis's denial referred only to the Estia article (which falsely claimed he was still a member of the Republican party), not the subsequent publication which refers to specific, concrete evidence and specifies the time frame for his having been registered in the electoral rolls as a Republican and is already mentioned in the article, but should not be given equal validity with evidence-based journalism. Ashmedai 119 (talk) 07:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Saying that major Greek media have not picked up on this, DOES diminish the validity of the claims as basing this from a single biased opinionated article proves my point I think.

I will try being as fair as possible with my new edit here:

We either also add in the infobox all of the affiliations he had (There are numerous sources, even inside the article that mention it) that he was affiliated with the Democratic Party on Joe Biden's campaign in the past or remove that section whatsoever as the chronology is based only on that single article.

We can mention Lymbouridis article but it would be good to mention that it is a claim and research made by that person only. The fact that Kasselakis has not denied the allegations of this article is not of importance (it is not a thing to mention that a person did not disprove an article about him, only if he made any statements directly on that should be added). Also the sentence "His denial nevertheless implied that he did not register as a Republican voter in 2023, "while negotiating to run with Syriza"" is an opinion based on a technicality, for something that was said before the Lymbouridis article was published.

Also since it's denied by the person as well as mentioned in various media outlets, the title "Alleged Affiliation with the US Republican Party" of that section is fair. I don't understand why this was removed.

Please check my latest edit and do not just undo it if you disagree. Let's not start an edit war here.. Bly000 (talk) 10:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:BRD exists to secure the avoidance of edit wars, which you have not followed. You say that Lympouridis's article is "opinionated", but Kasselakis's name is actually found in US electoral registers where he appears registered as a Republican. In other words, this is not an opinion, it is a fact, as anyone can verify for themselves, which has also been hitherto reasonably undisputeed and should be stated in Wikipedia's "voice".

Regarding the mention of Kasselakis's affiliation in the infobox: an electoral contribution or participation in an electoral campaign (as volunteer or in whatever role, as happened with Kasselakis and the Biden campaign) or penning a newspaper article in support for a party or candidate (as with Kasselakis and Mitsotakis/ND) is not tantamount to being *affiliated* with a political party, which requires some type of formal bond, which in the case of Kasselakis seems to have only existeed with the Republicans in the US from 2013 to 2019 and with SYRIZA in Greece from 2023 onwards. Ashmedai 119 (talk) 10:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)