Talk:Statue of Mahatma Gandhi (New York City)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Requested move 3 July 2019

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Moved. See general agreement below to grant this request. Strong opposition is noted; however, strong support translates to consensus. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there  18:35, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

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Mohandas Gandhi (Patel) → Statue of Mahatma Gandhi (New York City) – For consistency with other "Statue of XXX" articles, disambiguated by location. See related discussion at Talk:Mohandas K. Gandhi (sculpture, San Francisco), as well as Talk:Mahatma Gandhi (sculpture) --Another Believer _(Talk) 21:17, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

@Ham II, In ictu oculi, Johnbod, and Randy Kryn: Making you all aware of this request since you've participated in related discussions. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:18, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

• Strong oppose, this is the proper name of the statue per references. "Consistency" should not be used to change the actual name of this statue. The San Francisco statue's name was in question, this one isn't. Randy Kryn (talk) 21:22, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment: By proper name and actual name you seem to mean the official name. Irrelevant IMO. See !vote below. Andrewa (talk) 15:40, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Note that Kantilal B. Patel was famous for Gandhi statues, and made many in India & elsewhere, so thwe disam term is not very good. Johnbod (talk) 21:37, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

• then Mohandas Gandhi (New York City) would work. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:08, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

• Support. What on earth would "Mohandas Gandhi (Patel)" or "Mohandas Gandhi (New York City)" mean to anybody? It's a statue. Say it's a statue. We've had this debate before. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:17, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Would you change Moses (Michelangelo) to 'Statue of Moses', or thousands of named paintings to this type of style (Painting of Mona Lisa)? If paintings aren't listed this way why are statues, and only some statues at that, and why change the real name of the artwork in the process? Hopefully the closer won't just rely on number of ivotes but look at the issue logically. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:28, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Because the common name for public statues like this one is "statue of..."! You wouldn't say "I saw Patel's Mohandas Gandhi", now, would you? Even if you knew who the hell Patel was! Public commemorative statues just aren't described in that way. Even very famous ones by famous sculptors ("I saw the statue of Winston Churchill in Parliament Square", not "I saw Roberts-Jones's Winston Churchill"). You would, however, say "I saw Michelangelo's Moses" or "I saw the Mona Lisa"! It's a matter of context and common usage. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:52, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

bah, humbug. "I saw Monet's Haystacks" and "I turned the corner and there was The Starry Night" (which is quite the memory not knowing that it was there - saw MoMA cold without ever hearing of it before) might not work either. And do you think the average high schooler (I'll give college students the benefit of a doubt) would know what "Michelangelo's Moses" is? But I say again, bah, humbug, and repeat what I saw an editor write earlier, "Happy Amexit Day." Randy Kryn (talk) 19:13, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

• Support, per the discussion on this issue which has mainly taken place at Talk:Mohandas K. Gandhi (sculpture, San Francisco). I agree with Johnbod and Necrothesp above that the current title does not make the subject recognisable. Ham II (talk) 12:05, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

• Yes, I can hardly make him out through the haze of his real name and the sourced real name of the statue. Closer, please take a dose of common sense, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:15, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

The subject of the article, not the subject of the statue. Ham II (talk) 19:06, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

• Support per nomination, Johnbod, Necrothesp, Ham II and per WP:CONSISTENCY. Two similar nominations are concurrently open and, based upon existing titles that use commas, rather than parentheses — Statue of Mahatma Gandhi, Johannesburg; Statue of Mahatma Gandhi, Parliament Square or Statue of Mahatma Gandhi, Gandhi Maidan, would also support this form with a comma — Statue of Mahatma Gandhi, New York City, analogous to the suggested Statue of Mahatma Gandhi, Houston {Talk:Mahatma Gandhi (sculpture)} and Statue of Mahatma Gandhi, San Francisco {Talk:Mohandas K. Gandhi (sculpture, San Francisco)}. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 20:09, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support, mainly for recognisability, but see Category:Statues of Mahatma Gandhi and this is obviously the odd one out. The strong oppose argument above would apply to the others there as well... none are likely to be officially named according to our article name for them. That argument completely misses the point (see above). Andrewa (talk) 15:40, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

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