Talk:Statue of Junípero Serra (Los Angeles)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Recent edits

I can't keep going back and forth with the IP editor and I don't want to get in trouble for edit warring. @Fettlemap, MagicatthemovieS, and The Anome: Hope you can help keep an eye on this page. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

To User:2605:E000:1303:CD23:1D6D:5989:25B8:483: your edits are not supported by the cited source. If you want to add these assertions, you will need to provide a citation to a source to support them. -- The Anome (talk) 19:18, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Citations? Did you even read the articles cited? The toppling was part of the George Floyd protests, it was done by families who descend from the original peoples of Los Angeles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1303:CD23:1D6D:5989:25B8:483 (talk • contribs)

Then give a specific citation that supports the specific assertions you have added in your edit. The names given in your edit do not appear in the source cited to support the sentence you keep editing. Reverting again until you do this. -- The Anome (talk) 19:25, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

I strongly suggest you stop reverting. More than one of us have offered some advice and you're choosing to ignore. Edit warring may result in being blocked. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:25, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Noted, I'll add other articles with that information and cite them in the copy. I live in Los Angeles and want the correct information here to reflect what actually happened that day.

Thanks, we want Wikipedia to be accurate as well, but you need to go about editing the correct way. Also, please do not use Google Docs anything as a source. Newspaper articles and books are best. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:28, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

That google document was quoted in both the LA Times article by Carolina Miranda and in the LA Taco article. There's two more articles quoting that Google Doc that I can add, one is from LAIst and the from LA Daily News. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1303:CD23:1D6D:5989:25B8:483 (talk) 19:30, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Then let me finish editing before deleting information you know nothing about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1303:CD23:1D6D:5989:25B8:483 (talk) 19:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Actually instead of deleting info why don't you help me add it correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1303:CD23:1D6D:5989:25B8:483 (talk) 19:31, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not interested in helping someone who is not even following the basic instructions and advice we've offered thus far. You're asking to be blocked with each revert. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

OK, to be fair to the anon editor, they've actually added a source, in the form of this L.A. Taco article. But Google Docs pages are definitely not WP:RS, regardless of who uses them as a source. But we can use assertions by the WP:RS themselves. To the IP editor: thank you for engaging with us here.

To the IP editor: please stop being so aggressive, and make your case here, instead of endlessly stuffing it back into the article. -- The Anome (talk) 19:37, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

well some aggressively just deleted the info before even engaging in a conversation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1303:CD23:1D6D:5989:25B8:483 (talk) 19:39, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Actually, you've been invited to discuss multiple times. I've requested page protection. If you want to learn how to expand this page the right way, you'll stop reverting and actually take time to understand how this works. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:41, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

GOD!!!! What a WikiKaren - just let me finish what I am adding...— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1303:CD23:1D6D:5989:25B8:483 (talk • contribs)

No. You are just a couple of edits away from getting IP-blocked, if you carry on edit-warring with other editors. -- The Anome (talk) 19:47, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Ok, well, this "WikiKaren" is a 35yo gay guy in Portland, Oregon, who created WikiProject Black Lives Matter, so I suggest you lay off the name calling. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:45, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm glad you are engaging with us here now. Please discuss things with us here before reverting other editors to your preferred versions. Citations are good! -- The Anome (talk) 19:43, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

I added two articles with quotes below supporting what I originally had added — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1303:CD23:1D6D:5989:25B8:483 (talk) 19:48, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Why does someone keep insisting that this toppling took place during the George Floyd protests? It was in solidarity with the protests. And please include the names of the Tribal Nations, Tongva and Tataviam.

@Another Believer: why did you remove information?

Because the information was not specifically about this statue. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:53, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

@Another Believer: How do you determine that if you are not living in Los Angeles. The removal was part of ongoing efforts to address those monuments by the same network of City/County commissions, families, etc.

I understand, but this is not a Wikipedia article about monument removal efforts in LA. This is an article about this specific statue. Keep claims on topic, please. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:57, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

@Another Believer: again, you can't make that decision. I could have reworded the information so that it is specific to that statue.

I can't make what decision, exactly? Listen, we have rules here at Wikipedia. I've been a daily editor for 12+ years. You're coming here calling me names and telling me how this game is played. You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar ... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:10, 12 July 2020 (UTC)