Talk:State university system

History

See Talk:University of Wisconsin for the origins of this article! The system is really confusing for those of us who know little of the US system other than The Absent-Minded Professor.

The US experience of naming conflicts following mergers is not universal worldwide. My alma mater has absorbed several smaller institutions in a similar fashion, and their sporting teams and histories have been assumed by the larger institution with relatively little fuss, and even a certain amount of pride. That's not to say there's been no conflict, just that it has been concentrated in other areas.

But then the US universites appear to take their campus identities to extremes, especially when the boys put on those plastic suits of armour... Andrewa 20:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stub categories

I'd like to have added {{US-university-stub}} to this page, but it doesn't really fit Category:United States university stubs. Andrewa 20:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

State university system v s. state college system

In California we have two separate higher education systems. There is the UC (University of California) system and the California State College system. The UC system is more prestigious and has higher standards for admittance then the Cal State colleges. I think the difference between the two systems should be made clear for those states that offer dual university and college systems. --Cab88 11:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good! So, should we have a separate State college system article? Or, as this article is already about the US system, can it be renamed to cover both?

I'm assuming there that this college system is a US peculiarity, which may not be true. We don't have anything really similar in Australia, although our College of Advanced Education system had some similarities. But other countries may have similar systems. If so, there are lots of other possibilities for article structures. Andrewa 10:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've redirected State college system here (as well as State University system and State University System). bd2412 T 16:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This does not apply even in most U.S. states. There are numerous systems in Texas, some better than others, but this is not planned intentionally by the state where all in theory can be equal and are funded as so. If this is added it should be California specific, not included here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NativeTexan55 (talk • contribs) 03:29, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed move to State university system (United States)

I propose to move this article to State university system (United States), to remove the part of the hatnote that says "For nation-state governmental unversity systems, see National University System", and to remove the globalize tag. The purpose of this proposal is to avoid systemic bias. Other countries, for example India, have state universities, and there are articles and redirects with titles like State university (countryname). It would be excellent if this article could conform to that pattern. --Stfg (talk) 09:57, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support for purposes of disambiguation. --JBL (talk) 15:29, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds reasonable. ElKevbo (talk) 23:48, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Done. --Stfg (talk) 12:13, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 15:49, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

State university system (United States) → State university system – The article was moved a few months ago on the grounds that the article is ambiguous with other countries' state university systems. However, as state university system remains a redirect here, the parenthetical serves no disambiguation purpose and is unnecessary per WP:AT. Additionally, redirecting "state university system" elsewhere or making it a dab wouldn't be a good option, as other countries don't appear to use the phrase for their systems with any frequency; reviewing the relevant Google Books hits shows that virtually all relevant hits refer to American systems.[1]Cúchullain ^t/c 23:12, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (it is highly likely—...more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term) and WP:PRECISION. — AjaxSmack 01:10, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose a state university system is a university system sponsored/maintained by the state. "State" usually means nation/country. So a synonym of this is national university system. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 03:23, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- There are no articles called "national university system" either. That term redirects to National University and is now mentioned in the hatnote of this article which should be enough for the wayward searcher. — AjaxSmack 04:56, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I could see the wisdom in making State university a dab page rather than a redirect here, as that term is used for colleges in other countries. However, there's nothing else to do with state university system, as that term is so rarely used outside of the U.S. As of now, typing either "State university" or "state university system" brings one to this article, so no matter how you look at it the parenthetical isn't serving anything.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:39, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment when this page was renamed in November, someone should have instituted a disambiguation page. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 03:25, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- State university (disambiguation) already exists. There is nothing else at Wikipedia called "State university system" from which to disambiguate except the constituents of this article. — AjaxSmack 04:56, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. "State university system", without disambiguation, simply means a university system run by the state, any state. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:48, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Then where is the article discussing that topic? ElKevbo (talk) 17:13, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't need an article. It's a generic term. The universities in many, if not most, countries are state-run. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:31, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But they usually don't use the term "state university system", which is what matters here. Again, "State university system" already redirects here; readers who type that in are getting this article anyway. And there's no other ambiguous article to cause confusion.--Cúchullain ^t/c 17:55, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Insanely strong support as per WP policy. We never ever have a non-parenthetical article redirect to the parenthetical one. Never, ever, ever. Move and then move-protect. Red Slash 22:02, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Per WP:CRITERIA, as long as a title is recognizable (to those familiar with the topic) and natural, there is no need for additional clarifying information, unless it is needed for disambiguation with others uses on WP. To start making all potentially ambiguous titles like this one more precise is part of the reason the RM backlog is so big and keeps growing. This article should never have been moved without discussion, as any such move is inherently controversial. --B2C 00:15, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. There's clearly unnecessary disambiguation in this title, given that the proposed name already redirects here. Existing hatnotes are sufficient for dealing with confusion. --BDD (talk) 17:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. To the extent that there is any ambiguity, the U.S. usage would still be the primary topic, there being no other country that formally uses the phrase "State university system". bd2412 T 04:15, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Redirection

The intro says that "State college" redirects here, but if you type that into the Search box, you are taken to State College, Pennsylvania. JmA (talk) 15:50, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, it was changed in this edit by an IP user back in March. I'm inclined to think that the IP user is right about the more likely target, and will remove the note in a moment. --JBL (talk) 22:00, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just reverted User:BeenAroundAWhile's move of the article title on 8 November 2020

That move was highly disruptive as the article title had been State university system since 2013, after a carefully discussed and well-considered move from State university system (United States). I cannot find any references in a quick search on Google or Google Books for User:BeenAroundAWhile's assertion that the phrase "state university system" is also used in reference to state universities in India. (As a young man, I actually studied the history of universities in connection with my studies in the history of science at one of the top research universities in the world, and I have been familiarizing myself again with the literature over the past year as part of my efforts to improve the articles on the University of California and its campuses.) In any event, the burden rests upon the editor (i.e., User:BeenAroundAWhile) who is disrupting a long-established consensus to provide support for their position in the form of reliable sources and to formally propose a move and solicit other editors' input first. I always do. --Coolcaesar (talk) 05:34, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

USA: "University of _" vs "_ State University"

Capital S Capital U, State University? I came to his article to learn about something I've noticed, but the article "buries" this, or "doesn't notice it", and so I'm still curious. In the United States there is a noticeable pattern where many states, for example Michigan, have a University of Michigan and a Michigan State University. Off the very top of my head (mostly because of college athletics), this true for Florida, Georgia, Oregon, Idaho, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Ohio, Iowa and many more. It is curiously not "as" true of the New England states, and the nearby northeast states of New York and NJ (I said "as" true because there is UConn and there is CT State University, but nobody ever heard of the latter, but that may simply be because of athletics which wouldn't be the "true" measure of a university; perhaps the others have similar) In my mind, in most cases the "University of" has higher/loftier academic aspirations (perhaps more PhD graduates who go into academia), and the "State University" is a bit more "middle class", more graduates going into industry, but I'm not entirely certain of that; I only mention it because perhaps there's been a historical funding/founding pattern? or just imitation? Anyway, if there is a reason, I feel like it should be in this article. (the "state university" disambiguation page does not address it) 2603:8001:D3F0:87E0:0:0:0:10D0 (talk) 23:34, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]