Talk:State funeral of John F. Kennedy/Archive 1

Archive 1

Time of day "people" started to believe JFK was dead

To say

People started to believe that their young president had been assassinated only at 15:34 EST when the mahogany casket containing his remains was lowered into the earth

besides being absurd, is blatant POV - a denial of those who "began to believe" earlier or later - to put it to a minute is absurd. Do not re-insert. ALSO: Paragraph ends well on flame rather than a time of day--JimWae 2005 July 6 16:25 (UTC)

Why people were sad

Sanjay - quit inserting your POV - it is offensive to others who felt sad but for reasons you do not give. You were not even alive then, so how can you know WHY people felt the way they did. I have told you almost 100 times already that it is not an encyclopedia's job to tell people how they feel or how they felt - nor why. Anyway, it is editorial comment and POV & does not belong here. Do it again & I will have you locked out on 3RR--JimWae 03:10, 2005 July 13 (UTC)

Same as above --JimWae 19:20, 2005 July 17 (UTC)

This is normal behavior for SNIyer. I'm going to add this page to my watchlist, so I can help out. --Woohookitty 19:42, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Jackie Onassis Life After

Is this section really relevant to the Article Heading? People should be visiting Jackie Onassis' page to get information pertaining to her life after JFK. Thoughts? Mercnboy3 15:19, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. We have a complete biography of that person in a separate article. I see no reason to cover the same material here. The only info relevant to this article would be her subsequent burial besides JFK. -Will Beback 22:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Images

What's wrong with this image? Image:JacquelineKennedyHoldingHerChildren.jpg --evrik 20:02, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

• It's a copyrighted photo with a watermark placed on the crux of the image, which is unacceptable. Roy A.A. 21:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Why has it taken so long for someone to complain? Is there a GDFL equivalent? --evrik 21:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Happy?

I have read the following sentence a hundred times and I can't still figure out why was Jacky supposed to be "happy".

"The doors were supposed to close at 9:00 p.m. and reopen for an hour at 9:00 the next morning, However, because of the long lines, police and military authorities decided to keep the doors open until 9:00 a.m. Jacqueline Kennedy was happy about it, because at 9:00 p.m., she and brother-in-law Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy visited the rotunda again."

I suppose the person who wrote this sentence is implying that, because the door was kept open, she was able to return at 9:00 p.m. to see her husband's body therefore she was “happy”, but I am sure she would have been granted access anyway, at any time, even if the doors were closed. Then, is "happy" the best word to describe her feelings about the doors kept open anyway? I really doubt it. Maybe something with more sense would be to state that she was satisfied with the decision of keeping the door open because the crowds could pay their respects to the president all night (not because she went at 9:00 p.m.).

Thoughts about this? fredyrod 201.227.50.22 17:42, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Branches of Government

"Brief eulogies were delivered inside the rotunda by Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield of Montana, Chief Justice Earl Warren, and Speaker McCormack, representing their respective branches of government."

Is there a better term for this? Branches of government seems to imply legislative, executive and judicial. In this case, it is the House, the Senate, and the Supreme Court which are represented.

The Senate and House of Representantatives are sometimes classes as branches of the government, especiall yin the early days of the republic. See Federalist No. 51. The judiciary is given only a minor role in the U.S. Constitution. Only later did the judiciary develop into the third branch, with the concommitent merging of the Congress into a single branch. I dont see a problem with the text as it's written. -Will Beback · † · 20:44, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Well I see a problem with it. Mansfield and McCormack were in the legislative branch of government and Warren was in the judicial branch. While Warren was the sole representative of the judicial branch, the legislative branch had two representatives, and the executive branch had none. I would delete everything after the word McCormack. John Paul Parks (talk) 03:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)JPPJohn Paul Parks (talk) 03:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Broken Taps

Could someone add a reference to the broken note at the sixth word during Kennedy's taps? The catch of the breath is deeply ingrained in the collective conscious and is documented here: http://www.tapsbugler.com/BrokenNote.html

You can hear the taps here: http://www.flash.net/~jfklancr/audio/jk21gtps.wav 169.229.75.132 07:43, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Kennedy salute.gif

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BetacommandBot (talk) 22:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Lincoln catafalque

The Lincoln catafalque was not used; they knocked up a replica from photographs. It wasn't until later that someone realized the original had been carefully stored in the basement of the Capitol in Washington's Tomb. See Jim Bishop's book.139.48.25.61 (talk) 17:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Those in attendance

The article says that former President Hoover was not in attendance only Truman and Eisenhower. Hoover was there and was with Truman in Blair House. I was standing on the steps of Blair house when the Secret Service brought both Truman and Hoover out and placed them in a limosine that was awaiting them. Truman walked down the steps himself with a SS agent on either side. Hoover had to be carried or greatly assisted down the steps. But it was Hoover of this I am very sure. MarylandJane (talk) 22:01, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Article restructure

I plan to restructure this article to reflect what is in The Last Salute. SNIyer12, (talk), 00:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not using The Last Salute. I'm using various sources to put this article together and citing every source. There will be peer review of this article. – SNIyer12, (talk), 18:49, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Truman

Did former President Truman attend the funeral? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.194.192.100 (talk) 21:45, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

The only former president that did not attend was Herbert Hoover. This meant Truman and Eisenhower were there. -- SNIyer12, (talk), 20:10, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

quotation mark out of place

Where does the fourth quotation mark belong in this sentence, unless there should be two? There cannot be three.

Merle Miller quoted [Johnson] as having said, "Walking in the procession was especially one of the most difficult decisions I had to make," but it was something he could do, should do, would do, and did so." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.7.211 (talk) 23:57, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I think this is really a quote within a quote (which makes the sentence kind of awkward), though I don't have the book so I'm just guessing. I'm guessing this should actually read:

The new president, Lyndon B. Johnson, his wife, Lady Bird and their two daughters, Luci and Lynda, also marched in the procession, though he was told not to do so because of the assassination. LBJ recounted his experiences in his memoirs saying, "I remember marching behind the caisson to St. Matthew's Cathedral. The muffled rumble of drums set up a heartbreaking echo." Merle Miller quoted him as having said, "Walking in the procession was especially one of the most difficult decisions I had to make." When he moved into the Oval Office the next day, there was a letter from Mrs. Kennedy on his desk which started by thanking him for marching in the procession. Don Lammers (talk) 11:27, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Caroline and John Jr.

The following line has been removed from the main article, "Burial" section:

"(Incorrect: The video of the service at the grave shows Caroline Kennedy, at least, at her mother's side.)"

Actually, I have found no video or photographic evidence that Caroline Kennedy was present at the graveside service in Arlington Cemetery. Perhaps the individual who wrote the statement above mistook one of Caroline's cousins, who was sitting on the front row of the family section, or another, sitting behind Jacqueline Kennedy, for Caroline. Photos exist of Jacqueline Kennedy visiting the grave site at Arlington with Caroline and John Jr. in the days following the funeral, after a picket fence surrounding the grave had been erected.

In any case, such a statement belongs under the Talk tab, not in the main article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.171.25.132 (talk) 13:50, 31 December 2013 (UTC)