Talk:Star Alliance

Missing the obvious (and important) info from the lede

I'm often astonished when editors leave out obvious (and important) things in an article, especially the lede. Remember, an article's lede should answer the obvious question a reader might have when first encountering a subject. This one has the who. when, and where (I guess) but (strangely) not the what and why. Was it created for marketing and advertising purposes to promote the member airlines? To help streamline air operations to benefits passengers around the world? To create a global cartel to exercise monopolistic control over air travel? (Just kidding.) Danged if I know, 'cause nobody bothered to include it.

Did no one think to include this rather obvious and important point? Why not? __209.179.13.130 (talk) 19:05, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Because the explanation and all the information needed is in the Airline alliance article linked in the first sentence. MilborneOne (talk) 19:14, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for replying but your answer wasn't what I was expecting, especially from someone with such a long and distinguished Wikipedian career. Sure you can can click on a link and eventually find your answer - but why? Why not take the trouble to put it where it belongs, right there. You remind me of a former student who whined about having to add a couple of sentences to his paper. I wish I had some expertise in the subject as I would fix it myself. Why you think it's unnecessary to add a couple of sentence to provided needed info is truly baffling to me. Has this become the Wikipedia way? __209.179.13.130 (talk) 04:31, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for replying but I wasnt expecting a personal attack, you need to have a look at WP:NPA before you get yourself in trouble, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 16:05, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Let me just say that if anything I had written offended you, I apologize. I frankly don't understand why you would think of any of it as a personal attack but I'll defer to your judgement - I was simply offering what I thought was a sound note on improving the article. (I guess it's no longer a Wikipedia custom to have the "who, what, where, how, and why" in an article's lede.) BTW, I had forgotten to mention that the five airline's names should have been given instead of writing, "the five founding airlines (see the five airlines in the history section)", but don't worry, I have learned not to offer suggestions for improvements, so I won't. Again, my apologies. __209.179.13.130 (talk) 02:14, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

You asked why it had not been done nobody has said we cant change it in some way to improve the article. MilborneOne (talk) 11:48, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Just thought I'd mention in passing that six (ish?) years after MilborneOne explained that the article could be changed in some way - nobody said it couldn't be - someone else has come to the article and the immediate questions that sprang to her mind were, "Is this not a cartel? Why is this okay when a cartel wouldn't be? How does this presumably legal cooperation between companies differ from what would be illegal?" So she scanned the article for the word "cartel", but it doesn't appear. Then sh... all right, then I went to the Talk page and the only reference I could find was the poster here asking the same question. I can't answer it: I'm no expert on corporate law. Are the OP for this section and me the only people who wondered about this? In all this time? That seems pretty unlikely to me. Can anyone add a line or two to answer these questions, perhaps? - Invernalis (talk) 11:08, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Community reassessment

Star Alliance

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Result: No consensus to delis. MrWooHoo (talk) 03:02, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

This article has many WP:proselines, one-sentence paragraphs, unsourced statements, and WP:peacock terms. sst✈ 14:47, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Will hopefully work on proselines, unsourced statements, and peacock terms! MrWooHoo (talk) 16:17, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. This should not be too hard to fix. Take your time. sst✈ 16:24, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

@SSTflyer: Can you give me more specific areas/quotes that I haven't spotted yet? I have done a minor copyedit to revise the proselines, some peacock words. and some unsourced statements. MrWooHoo (talk) 18:47, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

• With a prose size of 13KB, I would recommend expanding the lead section to two paragraphs.

Y

• Dead links need to be fixed

Y

• Unsourced text:

• Finally, in November, Adria Airways, Blue1 and Croatia Airlines joined the alliance as the first three regional members.

Y

• After merging with US Airways under the US Airways name, America West Airlines joined, working through US Airways original membership, but would never be considered an individual member. Swiss International Air Lines joined as the 17th member and its sixth airline from Europe in April 2006. Swiss' predecessor, Swissair was due to join in 2001, but the airline went bankrupt in October of that year and went through an extensive restructuring process before joining five years later. Also in April, South African Airways joined the Alliance, becoming its first African member, and the 18th member of the Alliance.

Y

• Fellow Greek airline Olympic Air also intended to apply to join the alliance had their merger with Aegean Airlines been approved by the EU.

Y

• Later that year, on 13 December 2011, Ethiopian Airlines officially joined, adding five new countries and 24 destinations to the alliance's route map.

Y

• 2012 had many events happening to Star Alliance, with many airlines leaving as well as many airlines joining. In the beginning of January 2012, Continental Airlines completed its merger with United Airlines, thus formally ending its existence and membership in the alliance. Shortly after this, on 27 January, Spanair left the alliance after suffering financial collapse and ceasing operations. bmi then left on 20 April after its acquisition by International Airlines Group (IAG), a parent company of Oneworld Members Iberia and British Airways.

Y

• On 8 March 2013 TAM Airlines officially announced its departure, because of its merger with LAN Airlines to become LATAM Airlines Group. Later during the year, with the addition of EVA Air on 18 June and TACA's integration into Avianca, the alliance now had 28 members, making it the largest of the three main airline alliances.

Y

• Member airlines section: while this information is unlikely to be disputed, I would recommend adding sources, such as the Star Alliance website.

Y

• Former members and affiliates section: completely unsourced, and likely to be disputed.

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• Prior to Star Alliance, Northwest Airlines and KLM were operating together as the forerunners of the modern airline alliance system since 1993, although there had been even earlier pairings and groupings of airlines for decades on a less formal level. The creation of Star Alliance was a milestone in airline history because of its size. It sparked the formation of rivals, notably SkyTeam and Oneworld.

Y

• Premium status section: completely unsourced.

 Working

--sst✈ 11:24, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

@SSTflyer: I've made a lot of progress. However, many users have constantly been adding flag icons even after the copyeditor deleted them. Should I delete them per WP:TOOMANY or keep them? I've also asked at the Teahouse. MrWooHoo (talk) 02:32, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Comments: The article is on the right track, but it still needs a few more fixes.--Khanate General ☪ talk ^{project mongol conquests} 04:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• No new full members are planned to join Star Alliance at the moment. This needs a citation. And is it really necessary to have a two-sentence section on future members? The two lines could easily be moved under "2011-present: Further expansion".
• Today, nearly 30% of global air travellers use the services of our member carriers or, looking at it from an overall industry perspective, two thirds of world-wide air travellers use one of the three airline alliances. Worldwide is a single word according to the Oxford English Dictionary.
• BMI left on 20 April after its acquisition by International Airlines Group (IAG), parent company of Oneworld members Iberia and British Airways. There should be a definite article the before the word parent.
• During the year Emirates considered joining Star Alliance, but decided against it. There needs to be a comma after year to delimit the parenthetical element. "During the year Emirates considered joining Star Alliance" can easily be mistaken as an introductory clause.
• The article needs to consistently use or omit commas after introductory adverbial phrases. Depending on the style guide, commas are either placed after all introductory phrases or only after long ones, i.e. more than five words. The Wikipedia MoS isn't strict about this, but you should still be consistent. For example: On 1 April 2008 Turkish Airlines joined the alliance after a 15-month integration process beginning in December 2006 lacks a comma while On 27 October 2009, Continental Airlines became the 25th member of Star Alliance after leaving SkyTeam three days earlier uses a comma after the introductory phase.

--Khanate General ☪ talk ^{project mongol conquests} 04:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

I have addressed all of your comments. I will start finding references for SST's issues ASAP. Cheers! MrWooHoo (talk) 23:56, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Star Alliance

Charles Bonsu Owner at Star Alliance Osei Assibey (talk) 00:21, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Sorry not sure if this is a question or comment - please make clear how you wish to improve the article, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 16:21, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Who is the CEO

Jeffrey Goh is no longer CEO of Star. He was fired last year. Christine Weigart is the interim CEO, and will be replaced shortly by a permanent one (the new CEO has been recently announced. I don‘t know who can change this in the article, bit PLEASE remove the incompetent, traitorous, corrupt Jeffrey Goh. 2A02:908:125:6E60:0:0:0:AB21 (talk) 15:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Member sponsorship?

@ANG99 In the past years, only Oneworld have member sponsership but Star Alliance and SkyTeam do not? How did you guys make decisions to make the Star Alliance chart similar to the one on Oneworld? I would recommend to put a citation on who sponsored which member of the alliance, otherwise I will have to remove the column. Wikipedia is always cited with a source. Thanks. Loveheart547 (talk) 14:43, 4 July 2023 (UTC)