Talk:Stanley Motta

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[1] is self-published. [2] is good; we need one or two more like this. [3] is a passing metion.

I found a couple more mentions in a Google Books search but this does not appear to meet WP:SIGCOV: [4], [5] ~Kvng (talk) 14:15, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

The following new sources were added by FloridaArmy today after my decline: [6] and [7] are about a company with his name. The connection to the subject is unclear. [8] appears to be some sort of blog or self-published source. ~Kvng (talk) 15:06, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

From 6 above "Stanley Motta was established in 1948 by its founder, Stanley Motta, and for decades, was successfully engaged in the sale and rental of electrical appliances in Jamaica. In 1983, it was acquired by Musson and continued to operate until 1998 following which it became a dormant subsidiary.

In 2015, Musson selected Stanley Motta as the vehicle through which it would develop the 58 HWT project. In 2016 and 2017 Stanley Motta acquired properties located at 58 Half-Way-Tree Road in Kingston from Musson. Today Stanley Motta owns all the properties, either directly or through its own wholly-owned subsidiary, Unity Capital, with the exception of the Great House, which was retained by Musson." FloridaArmy (talk) 15:09, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

And the Skabook source you dismiss is by Heather Augustyn a journalist who authored Ska: An Oral History, McFarland, 2010, with a foreword by Cedella Marley "which was nominated for the ARSC Award for Excellence, Don Drummond: The Genius and Tragedy of the World’s Greatest Trombonist, McFarland, 2013, with a foreword by Delfeayo Marsalis, and Ska: The Rhythm of Liberation, Scarecrow Press, 2013."

Her work has "appeared in the Jamaica Gleaner, Jamaica Observer, and The Onion’s A/V Club among dozens of others. She has been co-host of Radio M on WBEZ-FM, Chicago’s NPR station with Tony Sarabia, spoke on NPR’s Sound Opinions, and was interviewed for radio shows in Indiana and Minneapolis. She is a great fan of ska, rocksteady, and reggae music and has been invited to lecture at the International Reggae Conference in Kingston, Jamaica where she spoke on women in ska and music of Jamaican independence. She is currently serving as an assistant director for a documentary, Man in the Street, based on the life of Don Drummond from Gusto Films in Melbourne.

Augustyn has been a correspondent for The Times of Northwest Indiana, the state’s second largest newspaper, since December 2004. She is contributing editor for Shore Magazine and is managing editor of the quarterly Duneland Today Magazine. Her work has appeared in such national publications as The Village Voice, The Humanist Magazine, World Watch Magazine, E! The Environmental Magazine, and she was the last journalist to interview the late novelist Kurt Vonnegut. The story appeared in In These Times Magazine and was published in the book Kurt Vonnegut: The Last Interview and Other Conversations, Melville House, 2011.

Augustyn is also a professional photographer and her work has appeared in numerous magazines and books. She received her M.A. in writing from DePaul University and a B.A in English and philosophy from Bradley University. She currently directs a Montessori school’s writing program in Northwest Indiana where she and her husband Ron have two boys, Sid and Frank." FloridaArmy (talk) 15:14, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

The article is about Stanley Motta the person. We need to see that there is significant coverage of this person in reliable sources. Coverage of his business and properties does not clearly establish notability of the founder/owner of said.

Regardless of Heather Augustyn's pedigree, skabook.com is still a WP:SPS. Is Stanley Motta covered in anything else by Heather Augustyn published elsewhere? ~Kvng (talk) 17:01, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't really understand your argument that coverage of a businessman's businesses doesn't go towards establishing his notability. If you search "stanley motta" newspapers.com you come up with coverage in the archives including here a big spread over many pages. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:12, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

@FloridaArmy: You're welcome to write a new article or recast this as an article about the business if you think it meets WP:NCORP. The reason for the notability requirement is we need to see that there is enough independent information out there on which to build verifiable content for the article. An editor arguing that a person's achievements exist and are substantial is not enough; We need to see reporting on that by WP:RELIABLE WP:SECONDARY sources ~Kvng (talk) 18:46, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

He started the business and it's named for him. The connection is covered in the source and I even quoted it for you above. Plenty of coverage. And entire section in the Gleaner I linked above on Motta, his business, and recording. FloridaArmy (talk) 18:50, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

How much information about the subject is in these sources? In my review I judged the articles about the business using his name to be passing mentions. From your quote above, all we learn is that he founded the company. That's useful but not enough to write an article about Stanley Motta (person) from. Did I miss something? ~Kvng (talk) 20:27, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Also, be aware that if you think I've made a mistake here, the way to get it corrected is to resubmit the draft and wait for the another reviewer to have another look. There is no direct means of reversing a review decision and reviewers here are discouraged from reviewing the same draft more than once. If you convince me that I've made a mistake, I will acknowledge that here and the next reviewer may take that into account. ~Kvng (talk) 20:38, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• The best way to cover his company is here in the article on the man who founded, built it, and made it famous over many years. This is also where his record label is covered. All of these activities have been substantially covered. Trying to say those articles are about the company or the recordings is not constructive. This is the main subject and those are parts of it. All notable aspects best covered together. FloridaArmy (talk) 20:52, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Interesting argument: the article is about multiple topics each with marginal demonstration of notability but adds up, on whole, to a notable topic. The big picture criteria we use for making accept/decline decisions at WP:AFC is an assessment of what is WP:LIKELY to happen at WP:AFD if an accepted draft is considered for deletion. I don't know if you have much WP:AFD experience. I do and I don't think your argument would get very far there especially since one of the components is a company and there have been recent changes to WP:NCORP policy and attitude that have significantly raised the bar for these subjects.

I think the best way forward for this draft is to find two more sources like [9]. Do you think that is possible? ~Kvng (talk) 21:11, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

The man is notable because of his businesses. That is how most businesspeople become notable. He evidently had a signifocant impact on the Jamaican music recording industry, which is important in this English speaking country. Let's not get caught in the trap of thinking someone has to be notable in the US to be notable. I am accepting the article. Legacypac (talk) 20:41, 13 October 2018 (UTC)