Talk:Stan Swamy

hails from

One report says Fr Stan hails from Kerala while the other says he is from Trichy in Tamil Nadu. Since the latter is mentioned by the Ranchi Catholic Church we can take it to be authentic. Vikram Vincent 05:15, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

invitation for discussion/consensus

@Azuredivay: Please feel free to discuss changes on this talk page before undoing content/references that have been put up. Vikram Vincent 20:20, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

use of word 'draconian' to describe UAPA

The word 'draconian' has been used to describe the UAPA provisions because the ability to get bail is limited on very narrow grounds. Most secondary sources have used this term. Please discuss here before arbitrarily removing the word. Vikram Vincent 07:32, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

The term 'draconian' used to describe UAPA has been removed as per the BLP policy for living persons, because no credible citation has been given and reflects only the personal opinions of the author(s). The cited article at the end of that sentence has no mention of the word 'draconian' and has not made such suggestions. If one wishes to include this word, it must be corroborated with a credible citation and the sentence could be phrased as "He has been arrested according to UAPA, which is considered 'draconian' by some observers". Fereydoonshah (talk) 05:25, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Fereydoonshah please let the discussion reach a consensus before reverting the edits. The word draconian comes from the name Draco, a guy who created harsh laws. The UAPA is a harsh law for the context it was created and even the Govt admits that position while denying bail. What is the argument for claiming it is not draconian or that it is not harsh? Vikram Vincent 05:33, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Ref: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/draconian

A discussion on the sweeping powers of UAPA https://lawschoolpolicyreview.com/2020/07/27/bail-under-the-uapa-a-case-for-reconstruction/ Vikram Vincent 05:37, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Fereydoonshah it slipped me before... BLP is for the person not UAPA. The term draconian is used to describe UAPA not Stan Swamy. I could not understand what you were trying to convey with the BLP statement. Vikram Vincent 09:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

@Vincentvikram: Hi there, I don't speak for Fereydoonshah, but from my perspective, the word "draconian" presents a value judgment, i.e. an opinion, that the laws are harsh. We do not typically present opinions as though they are facts, especially not in a neutral encyclopedia. Something along the lines of "...a set of laws that legal scholars including Scholar 1, Scholar 2 and Scholar 3 have described as draconian" ^[15][16][17] might be more suitable. (See also WP:WEASEL.) But saying it off-handedly as though it were a fact is not the way to go. No, it has nothing to do with BLP. (Note also, that when content you add is reverted, the status quo should remain until you achieve consensus for inclusion. Not the other way around.) Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:15, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Cyphoidbomb Thanks! Stepping back a bit, I see that Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act article itself needs work. Vikram Vincent 08:23, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, this is not covered under BLP. My bad. Fereydoonshah (talk) 17:46, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Closed. 'Draconian' is subjective. Vikram Vincent 07:53, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2021

stan Swamy was a Maoist sympathizer and a terrorist. He should not be called an activist. Kullu Jain (talk) 05:08, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Facts were corrected Kullu Jain (talk) 05:08, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. KyloRen3 (talk) 05:42, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Beatification?

Are there any Catholic calls for beatification?

No, though by covering his body with the red vestament(chasuble) during the funeral the Jesuits have acknowledge that he was a martyr. VV 04:42, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject India rating

@Vincentvikram: The WP India template does not need a separate parameter to list its own importance; that's just recursion. Have added WP Tamil Nadu since it is listed as his birthplace; this does NOT imply that the subject of the article does not have national importance.  Kylo Ren III  (talk ☎️) 14:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Place of birth in this case does not take precedence due to the nature of press coverage. Best! VV 09:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Vincentvikram, I never said that it did. Besides WP Tamil Nadu is a subsidiary of WP India.  Kylo Ren III  (talk ☎️) 14:32, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

My contention was that he was not really relevant to TN though he was born there. Jharkhand would have been a better parameter. So adding TN is sort of redundant. VV 17:27, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Was Swamy active in Jharkhand? The article does not mention it explicitly. Please update the article and the WP if that's the case.  Kylo Ren III  (talk ☎️) 19:29, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Dont have the time now but https://scroll.in/article/976136/arrested-adivasi-rights-activist-stan-swamys-life-demonstrates-why-the-powerful-want-him-silenced has a timeline which shows that he spent a substantial time in central India working for the tribals. This is corroborated by other sources. Would you be able to check and update? Thanks! VV 04:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)