Talk:Stained glass/Archive 1

Archive 1

Images

Arpingstone, you actually like the all-images-on-right look? I think the old layout looked much better. – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 22:19, Oct 3, 2004 (UTC)

The reason for the change was that on my 1024 by 768 screen one pic was stuck horizontally against another (hard to describe it!) so most were on the right but one was out of place. It seems that what looks good on your screen looks terrible on mine. So to make the article look good for everyone a simple right-column is sometimes the only choice because the ideal situation of a left-right alternation doesn't work. If you don't like what I've done, just revert, I don't mind - Adrian Pingstone 22:34, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Painted stained glass

There is no mention of the common habit of farting detail (e.g. faces) onto stained glass. Is that because it is a different craft, or just an omission? Notinasnaid 11:22, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Largest collection

Does anyone know what the largest collection of stained glass is? Number of windows in a building, for example. CoolGuy 08:38, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Painted glass: a separate thing or a misnomer?

Painted glass is mentioned here in the "See also" section, but it's redirected to the article itself. There are two more articles linking to painted glass: Oliver Cromwell and Lillafüred. Is there really such a thing as a painted glass different from stained glass? If so, it should be clarified at least in a stub how they relate to each other (instead of the redirect). If not, and it's a misnomer, links to painted glass should be replaced by stained glass, I suppose. -- Adam78 00:03, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Stained verses painted

Actually, the term "Stained" refers to a process developed by the Germans in the 14th century. Silver nitrate was mixed with a binder and painted on the reverse side of the "trace line" and "matted" side of the glass, then fired at a lower temperature, 1180 degrees F., the medium (binder) is then washed off to reveal the yellow or golden color "stain". The trace line and mattes (mattes are applied as a thin even coat and then selective areas are removed with brushes to create highlights, fired at 1275F, roughly)) The glass is, truly, "stained" by the silver nitrate and allowed the Medieval artists to achieve 2 colors therefore greater versatility with a single piece of clear glass to describe architectural, clothing pattern, or other details. As well, minor correction: Glass is sold by the square foot by some manufacturers, and by the pound by others.

Jane Jacobson, Glass Roots Studio, Oct 23, 2005

Jim Gary?

On April 15, 2006, user 63.232.117.214 added under "See also":

 * Sculpture
 ** Jim Gary 

However, the article on Jim Gary mentions nothing about glass. Does he indeed work with stained glass?

RickP 06:51, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

• Yes, American sculptor Jim Gary made many -- life-sized figures -- of stained glass. He also created many other, smaller stained glass sculptures. It was a material he returned to frequently in his career. Discussion of his stained glass work was put in the Wikipedia article on him, but was removed by a wiki administrator, haro. The extensive history of the article recorded in the talk and edits, documents the struggles of contributors who seem to have given up fighting off "the administrator". There are many photographs of large stained glass sculptures by Gary in the early biography of him that is still available on the Internet through used book sellers. It is, Jim Gary: his life and art by Tova Navarra, which was published in 1987 by HFN, Inc. His official web site is still very active and his studio director is quite accessible if you have any questions. Many photographs of this work used to be posted on the Internet, but the sites have changed what they feature. As someone interested in his work for a long time, I have had many questions about his sculpture answered quickly through the official site. It looks as if the long and detailed original article, was contributed by Jim Gary's studio director right after he died. The article now has been slashed down to a sketchy stub -- unfortunately --— Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.232.16.27 (talk) 12:34, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. A few words in the Jim Gary article about this would be appreciated. Any chance of uploaded copyright-free images of his stained glass work to commons? RickP 20:35, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

It's a pity: the article was large, and while it was certainly a bit uncritical, the editorial response was to simply delete all but a stub. This doesn't really encourage new editors. Or old ones. Notinasnaid 20:39, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

contacted Jim Gary's studio director, who has photographs, but I do not know how to upload a photograph to Wikipedia, nor whether it then becomes the property of Wikipedia -- she is reluctant to provide them or write anything in the article given the treatment of the new editors who have tried to make it a good entry... (can't blame her, she can post to her own site without such interference). Want to tackle it yourself with the material provided in this article and talk? Perhaps the obsessed administrator, a bully monitoring the site at the expense of the new contributors would act differently to established editors. -- who knows? -- I might be able to get the studio director send you materials you need if it works out, or you could contact her directly. LMK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.233.126.210 (talk) 22:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Was the other editor an administrator? Photos must be either public domain or released under a license that allows any use, including commercial, with a credit. Notinasnaid 09:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

The id for the administrator who kept reverting only to his edits, is listed as harro 5 (all one word). His rigidity is confusing because, looking at the Wikipedia regulations, allowing a great deal of editorial freedom is expressed along with a Wikipedia statement that nothing is established to prevent different styles. Curiously, he made no attempt to make any edits except deletions -- so he did _ nothing _ to contribute to the article, seeming only interested in preventing others from the freedoms they ought to have had -- don't understand the motivation. I will see whether a credit would be okay for a good photograph of one of his stained glass figures -- would that just be a (c) notation or some indication such as, courtsey of... ? I have seen notes accompanying some photographs here that indicate the use is only for the article, not any other use... what are the rules for those? That might be better to offer. LMK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.158.184.35 (talk) 11:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Interestingly, the bulk deletion of most of the article was not done by the admininstrator you name, but someone anonymous. So, following Wikipedia's recommendations, I have been bold and put it back, so it can be improved into the great article it can be. So, editors, please come back and have a go at it. See Talk:Jim Gary Notinasnaid 14:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

bold and brilliant -- let's see if your action promotes co-operation on the article! It may take a while, but am glad to see your effort. Regarding the stained glass figure, how do I ask for the photograph credit format? LMK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.232.1.65 (talk) 00:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

examples of windows needed

An article about windows should include examples. All the examples are modern. We need examples of mediaeval and Victorian stained glass. I tried to put something in about a period, ie the 19th. century when there was a huge amount of glass put in both in the UK and USA, but of which there is not much record. Many of the firms have perished leaving no records. I put in a good deal of what I know but did not include too much for fear of unbalancing the article. If anyone knows how to include availabel pix of windows, please do. I have some good windows in our church and will include them if no one else does. OK? Roger Arguile June 6th 2006 3.40 pm (UTC)

Reformation

In the section discussing the reformation the article states that "Few [windows] remain undamaged." This needs some context. Does this mean only in Britain? In all Protestant areas? Throughout Europe? - SimonP 01:42, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Desg

In making a small addition and putting in a link to a commercial site, you also lost a large part of the article, in fact everything below your own addition. You need to check carefully by using the 'show preview' option before saving.

I have removed your link to the nice little window in a dear little weatherboard church that took us straight to the commercial site.

Firstly, the heading that you put it under pertained to the greatest examples of stained glass in the world, eg Chartres Cathedral. Your example is hardly one that a person would travel ten thousand miles to see.

Secondly, Wikipedia isn't the place for advertising.

--Amandajm 21:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I removed the link to the small forum "stainedglassville.com" added by Desg. This is another of his commercial sites.

--RogerJ 21:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Desg returned to re-insert the link to the "nice little window in a dear little weatherboard church" with the link to the commercial site, as well as the link to his newly formed commercial forum.

Similar additions of his commercial links on the "Lead came and copper foil glasswork" Wiki page have been removed.

A very good link to the Preservation of Stained Glass was removed by Desg, which he replaced with a link to his forum. The original link was restored. Similar behavior (replacing a pre-existing link with his own) was also observed and fixed on the "Lead came and copper foil glasswork" page.

--RogerJ 16:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC) I have corrected the links and will point out that the preservation link went to nothing to do with glass. The memorial dove window you speak of is visited by many to a very historical location with a single chapel. Mention of this work in "Stained Glass" is quite appropriate in relation to memorial windows. I am new to Wiki and am clear as to the rules. I have removed the commercial link for web-o-rama as it is relative to your guidelines. Thank you, DESG

The preservation link has as its title, and I quote, "The Preservation and Repair of Historic Stained and Leaded Glass." Are you sure you were following the link correctly? It links directly to the Technical Preservation Services of the U.S. Department of Interior, and has a very comprehensive writeup concerning stained glass, difficulties with preservation, etc. I was willing to believe you at first... but this strains credulity. I would urge you to please click on links before you remove them, especially since you seem to be having difficulty with Wikipedia's external links policy. Captainktainer * Talk 15:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I urge you again to read the link provided. From the page: "This Brief gives a short history of stained and leaded glass in America. It also surveys basic preservation and documentation issues facing owners of buildings with leaded glass. It addresses common causes of deterioration and presents repair, restoration, and protection options. Captainktainer * Talk 16:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I am willing to check it again. I have before and it goes to the National Park service. If the artical you speek of is there I will link to it correctly. DESG

I have checked the link again and it points to [1] under rule #5 the link doesn't support all operating systems. Check with the administrators or host of the web page to see why there is a redirection. I have looked deeper into the site and found the stained glass article but only after jumping through a few hoops.

Additional stained glass resources

However, it is also the only "source" remaining for the article. Your quote seems a bit short of fact. Have you even read my tutorial pages? stained glass art tips If so you will see alot of additional professional advice on the subject. Please consider inclusion or not deleting the valuable resource when it is reinstated, Thank you Desg 03:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Vidimus Magazine

T'm not in favour of deleting this link, so I've reinstated it. I think we ought to be patient and see what Vidimus come up with, as it's the first monthly publication, and the article on the featured panel is very detailed and the photo very clear, illustrating some of the subject matter of our present article, likethe use of yellow stain etc. It seems a pity to be so hardline with an accademic, non-commercial publication!

--Amandajm 12:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. While the link is not objectionable, it is not worthy of being a reference in the WIkipedia article. Let's check again in 6 months to a year, before reinstating. RogerJ 19:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Removal of additions to intro

Just to explain my self-

I've just removed several lines that were recently inserted in the intro. The bit about metal salts repeated what had already been written, about two lines above it. The description of the fact that the gLass gets cut into pieces is all there under the heading Technical. The person (no user name) obviously hadn't read the whole long detailed description before editting the brief summary. In other words, it was superfluous.

--Amandajm 09:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC) 09:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Re Removal of new pictures

All those new pictures are beautiful and will be useful somewhere.... But

• We've tried to keep this article fairly tightly constructed, but it's well over the usual length because it's a very big subject.
• Every pic that is in place has been selected for a purpose.
• Having 5 pictures in a small gallery looks bad. That's why there's only four in each.
• I've put the new pics into the gallery at the bottom, and will remove them into appropriate articles at a later date.
• please see what's already in place! In a gallery of 4 pics there was already a pic from the Morris studio. Didn't need two! There was already an excellent alabaster window. Didn't need two of those either.

--Amandajm 13:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Reading stained glass

There was a comment posted that said that this site doesn't tell you how to read stained glass.

The reason for that is that there is a maximum desirable size for a Wikipedia article. This article already exceeds that size.

"Reading" artworks such as stained glass is a whole subject in itself. You can find some of the answers under Poor Man's Bible. You can also look up Iconography. There is another interesting and useful page called Tree of Jesse.

--Amandajm 10:09, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps this can be put into its own article, with a link from the "See Also" section. In fact, I see that there is already one such article on another stained-glass subject — Stained glass - British glass, 1811-1918. (A similar-looking link, Stained glass artists, is also listed, but is a redirect to a category.)

     But I highly doubt there's a set-in-stone limit on the number of "sub-articles". Joan of Arc, for example, has six: Trial of Joan of Arc, Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, and Canonization of Joan of Arc cover just half of the Joan-of-Arc subjects that have been expanded into their own articles.  — AnnaKucsma   (Talk to me!) 20:51, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Stained Grass

Not a mistake. Green glass has been around for a very long time.....bottles, OK? But to create an appearance of green grass, blue glass was often stained with yellow, because the effect was more natural.

--Amandajm 08:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

We would like to add a link in the 'external links' section

One of my friends has asked me to add a link of her website the Staint Glass Wiki site under 'external links' but I saw it should be verified first. Her website shows some fine examples of stained glass windows in churches particularly in Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire and Lincolnshire by Charles E Kempe, Clayton and Bell, William Morris, Edward Burne-Jones and Henry Holiday the latter three being Pre-Raphaelite stained glass window designers. They can be viewed at Magnificent Windows which is a photographic website showing the beauty and art form of stained glass. Please can you let me know if I can add the link to the Stained Glass Wiki site. Thanks! --Posiebers 23:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thankks for the request. I took a look at the site and it has some very nice photos of mainly 19th century windows. Would you please add the link to a different articl?Stained glass - British glass, 1811-1918

Also, in order to give accurate information, in association with an encyclopedic article, could you ask your friend to correct the introduuction that says that stained glass is probably one of the oldest crafts. Ask you friend to think about the stone tools made by prehistoric people, followed by making string, potting clay, weaving baskets, carving wood, making bone needles and fishhooks, spinning wool etc etc. These are all crafts (and we haven't even got to metalwork yet)! The oldest stained glass window in existence is only 1100 years old. That makes stained glass quite a new craft, in the history of humanity.

--Amandajm 00:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to add an external link to the Victoria and Albert Museum's Sacred Stained Glass pages from this article. These pages feature different pieces of stained glass in the V&A's collection and the stories accompanying them, as well as giving information about the saints featured in stained glass. They also feature a short video on making stained glass. I hope this link will be considered, I think it contains lots of interesting information for those interested in stained glass. Many thanks VAwebteam 10:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Good idea! The V&A has a great collection. --Amandajm 11:10, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Scope of this page

Stained glass is an art craft. This page seems to be centered around architectural, religious stained glass panels, which is one, narrow field of this craft. I submit that this page should be a more generic page about the craft/art of stained glass and the specific panel/church/architectural aspect of stained glass be outlined on a separate page. Note that some people are trying to equate "stained glass" exclusively with architectural flat panels and this is inappropriate. --Mabu2 05:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC) moved to bottom of page by Amandajm 11:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

In response to this complaint

The writer of this added a short section, between the intro and the description of the making of stained glass windows, which I removed because it pertained directly to Lead came and copper foil glasswork which has its own page.

About the use of the term "stained glass" "Stained glass", the craft of creating it and the artworks thus produced have for the last thousand years been associated with church windows and the windows of other buildings such as town halls and universities. Throughout the nineteenth and most of the twentieth century, no producer of ordinary domestic leadlight windows would have advertised as a "stained glass" artist. Leadlighters were leadlighters. The notion that the creation of architectural flat panels "is one, narrow field of this craft" is ludicrous. The major works in this craft, be they in church buildings, railway stations or office blocks, are architectural panels, though nowadays, with slab glass and the like, not nnecessarily flat.

There is currently a trend to refer to anything created with lead or copper foil and coloured glass as "stained glass art" and equate it with the making of large stained glass windows. This would have brought howls of laughter from the team who designed and created the east window of Gloucester Cathedral.

This page is already very long, and a merger with all the very many articles that describe aspects of the craft is not really appropriate. What is here is pertains to that which has always been called stained glass, ie windows in churches and other significant buildings, a very demanding and often very large-scale craft that has been practised in Europe since the 10th century. Many of the stained glass windows referred to here and pictured here are supreme artistic creations.

There are articles on Leadlight, Cathedral glass (which is not glass in cathedrals), Faberge and the various glasses that he created, Art glass, Architectural glass and so on. It is really not a good idea to combine them. Besides, an article that deals with lead came and copper foil work is needed as a stand-alone article, because this is a significant modern craft that many people enjoy and are interested in.

I have suggested moving this page back to "Stained glass windows" which is where it was, I believe, once upon a time, but this met with poor response from the above apparently new editor.

The article was already about windows before I did a great deal of work on it. I am being accused of hijacking an article to a purpose, where in fact it seems that it is quite the other way around.

Amandajm 11:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Intro

Rejigged the intro and incorporated some of the new material, plus mention of recent extension of the term to include things other than windows. Amandajm 12:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree this article should remain essentially as it is, concentrated on the history of the design of major stained glass windows, with see also's and disam-ing as necessary. A move back to "stained glass window" I don't see as necessary, but it could be done. Johnbod 02:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Agree with Amandajm for the reasons he's stated. JGHowes ^talk - 18:31, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Moved this down It is clear that user Amandajm is acting like he "owns" this article and has a personal interest in maintaining control over it. This seems to be antithetical to the purpose of Wikipedia, and I contend that the term "Stained Glass" is generic and does not specifically apply to windows. Maybe a hundred years ago the term, "stained glass" may have had a more narrow interpretation, but not today. This article is narrow and should be under a different subheading such as Architectural stained glass or Stained glass windows. Furthermore, has anyone read this page in full? There are sections having nothing to do with stained glass; there are pictures of entirely different crafts such as vases and mosaics. And much of the article is a breakdown of history. This is not the kind of article that should be an entry point on a very wide and diverse field such as "Stained Glass." --Mabu2 05:32, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Mabu2, please don't remove pictures from the article of things that are discussed within text of the article itself. Mabu2, you obviously haven't read the article yourself, or you would know why the vases are there. Can I suggest that you take a look at the page Stained glass artists and check out what it takes to be called an "artist" in the media of stained glass. I had nothing to do with setting up that page, although I have added names as I wrote articles.

Please understand as well, that there is a vandal who adds his own work to this page every day. If you find images at the foot of the page that are obviously inappropriate, they have been added by a vandal, who also deletes links to important websites in order to link to his own commercial concern. This is not allowed, but it happens all the time.

Amandajm 09:06, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Stained glass schools

"Twentieth century .... Today there are a few academic establishments that teach the traditional skills. One of those establishments is Florida State University's Master Craftsman Program who recently completed the world's largest secular stained-glass windows installed in Bobby Bowden Field at Doak Campbell Stadium. More info at Master Craftsman Program"

1. The large window referred to doesn't appear to be a design worthy of mention in a short article (I can't find much of anything on the Web about it - the one image I found looked like a pretty amateurish design). Big isn't = to good. And I am quite skeptical that it is in fact the largest in the world - where is the source for that. How big is it in sq meters? There are some monster windows in Europe.

2. The statement that there are "few academic establishements" is misleading and provincial. If the statement is only referring to the US, maybe it is partly correct (but what about the Boston Museum School, and I am sure there are a number of others). But the US has never been the center of stained glass craft (or art). Europe has many schools that are far more significant and well-known than FSU, for example Swansea (one of four or five in England), and an even larger number exist in Germany and France.

Jon Romig —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.165.81.50 (talk) 18:34, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about the window,, but I agree entirely about the stained glass schools. Would you like to rewrite this section in a more appropriate way? Amandajm (talk) 02:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Modern glass

• A sentence was inserted between two sentences that were link. One sentence stated that new combinations of materials were use, the next one was about the development of slab glass. A sentence about etched glass was put between them, instead of at the end of the paragraph. Etched glass is not a "new development".

• Etched glass isn't stained glass, even though it may be used by stained glass artists.

• Leptat (registered trade name) is the brand name for a type of etched glass. It belongs on a page about etched glass. One has to be careful in writing about any registered product because Wiki is not the place for advertising.

• Placement of pics. A good look at the page will tell the editor about the layout. Each section has been given four pics. No more, no less, because four fits into a single row across the page. That's the layout. All the other pics are added into a gallery at the bottom of the page. The examples at the bottom are not random. They have been chosen from hundreds that are available as being particularly good examples. Other good examples need to be ones that don't double-up. eg We don't need 4 William Morris windows or 6 Tiffany windows or 3 windows from Chartres.

• If (and the source isn't cited) the recent slab glass window is the earliest in the US, then it is historically more signiificant thhan the Buckfast window, so I have put it in the gallery of four and moved Buckfast down.

Please cite the source for it being the earliest.

Amandajm (talk) 04:56, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

a stain glass window is made a long time ogo they where windows then they made them big into stian glass for churches —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.248.140.144 (talk) 01:21, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Reversals- explanation

"The term stained glass can refer to the material of coloured glass or the craft of working with it. Throughout its thousand-year history, the term "stained glass" was applied almost exclusively to the windows of churches, cathedrals, and other significant buildings. Although traditionally made in flat panels and used as windows, the creations of modern stained glass artists also include three-dimensional structures and sculpture.

Modern vernacular usage has often extended the term "stained glass" to include domestic leadlight and objets d'art created from lead came and copper foil glasswork such as exemplified in the famous lamps of Louis Comfort Tiffany."

• The words "The term" were deleted. They have been returned for reasons of grammar. One must either say "the term stained glass refers to (these two things)" or one must put the beginning words of the sentence into inverted commas : "Stained Glass" refers to.....

The former is preferable to the latter since the words "stained glass" are not a quotation.

• Stained glass sculpture is a new form. This is a difference in application.

• Domestic leadlights and objets d'art are not new forms. They have been around for 150 years or more, but only recently have they been termed "stained glass". They are generally called "leadlight" or "copperfoil work". Up until the 1930s every town had a domestic leadlighter, who would never have referred to himself as a "stained glass artists". On the other hand, a modern sculptor working in stained glass, might very well be termed a "stained glass artist". That is the reason that I have returned that statement to the first paragraph, and made the paragraph about changing vernacular terminology a separate one.

Amandajm (talk) 13:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Works for me. Thanks, Tom Harrison ^Talk 14:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

This is a very good article on British stained glass

But less so on that of the rest of the world 41.241.117.70 (talk) 19:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree entirely. The information presented here about British glass is not necessary. There is a separate article. There should also be separate articles about French, German, Italian, US, and Australian stained glass. I believe a lot of stained glass was produce in Eastern Europe but I know absolutely nothing about it. Can anybody help? Amandajm (talk) 02:30, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Problem fixed, I think that this is now a better balanced article. Certainly in terms of sections and pics, though a little wanting in text in some areas. Amandajm (talk) 00:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

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The Stained Glass Association of America

The Stained Glass Association of America's stated purpose is to defend and protect the American form of stained glass art, as opposed to European. The former is said to be a different art form than the latter, using the materials themselves to elicit the art and allowing the patron to have his own thoughts about what he is observing while European stained glass uses the materials to paint a picture. When a studio attempts to join the society they are not allowed in if they are guilty of perpetrating the European style; a favored expression is "If you want a picture get a camera" and members are encouraged to tell church congregations asking for realistic painting on glass that this was a form used to tell the Christian story to illiterate congregants of old Europe and that the modern congregants of the church asking for such glass are more sophisticated than those Medieval European counterparts and can grasp abstract art and resent being treated as though dumb. In the eyes of this association stained glass studios and artists that deliver the European style of stained glass art to American architectural installations are persona non gratis in America and especially in the SGAA. Realistic pictorial windows make the association shudder as they are opposite the art form the group was established to protect , defend, and perpetrate as their ideal stained glass art. You say none of this here and it is their most important feature, not that they teach the art and restoration and preservation of it . They feature only the American style. It is believed by some artists who have a kiln and fire a piece of painted glass such as a face up to 35 times that this society is made up of studios and individual artists who don't know how or can't paint on glass as well as the Europeans of a century and more ago.While they say "No one does it any more",some others not belonging to the society say no one can do it any more, except some German and English artists who are highly trained through years of experience. Churches insuring such art in their windows are sometimes told by the insurance companies that if realistic painted windows are damaged an artist will have to be engaged from Europe and that it will be very expensive. This can be gleaned from looking through the organization's magazines from the 19-teens on, and their mission is clearly stated in the application for membership included in each magazine. The Conrad Schmidt studio has some very nice windows but none are done in the Munich or realistic style, the Medieval style, the Byzantine style and other European and pre-American styles of stained glass art.```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.185.204.135 (talk) 12:54, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

The above comments are too much to place into the present article. I can assure you that there are many European stained glass artists working in a wide variety of styles and using techniques both ancient and modern. Within Europe there is a real need for glass conservators to maintain ancient techniques, and likewise for glass manufacturers to continue manufacturing glass by traditional methods as this is by far the best in restoration work. Amandajm (talk) 16:20, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Belcher

Would love to see a knowledgeable addition referring to the Belcher Mosaic Glass Company's work in the late nineteenth century. Belcher was an American company with a fairly unique style, short-lived because of worker safety concerns (and some other factors), but beautiful and for a time an example of an American esthetic. This company has been gone for well over a century, so there should be no advertising concerns. If this were deemed something that should have its own article, that would be fine, though I would think that it would be better as a brief segment in the larger stained glass article. I don't think I'm quite knowledgeable enough to write it... Xenophonix (talk) 02:53, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Middle Eastern, Islamic & Asian Stained Glass

I came to this page hoping to read more about Iranian Orsi (aka Orosi) windows/stained glass... I was disappointed to notice this article is missing important details about Middle Eastern, Islamic and Asian stained glass history. It would be greatly appreciated if this article was less Western-centric. Jooojay (talk) 21:17, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

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Came to this page and noticed absence of any photos showing result of sunlight shining through stained glass window show added this photo. Please feel free to replace with more suitable photo Johnscotaus (talk) 07:59, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Sunlight shining through stained glass onto carpet

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I have been off duty for a while. Came back and discovered that the gallery of Medieval glass had bee greatly reduced, with only one comment "to add emphasis". The glass of the Middle ages is the most renowned in the world. The examples had been chosen for their relevance, and to display a short history of an essentially visual media, not just an addition to the text.

Also, the examples of Spanish glass were all deplorable. The article needs picture of Spanish glass that match the quality of the images that are in the gallery above. A pic showing all the colours bleached out of clerestory windows does not illustrate anything about Spanish medieval glass. Amandajm (talk) 18:09, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

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