Talk:St Pauls, Bristol

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Stub?

When does this article cease to be a stub? --rex the first 13:45, 11 Dec 2005 (GMT)

Comment

Why has this been written in this article here's the quote 'A customer had his trousers ripped and demanded compensation, which the police refused. It's not necessary about the major info on the leafy suburban city of Bristol in Avon & Somerset in South West England. I dont think outsiders would like to ready that when they would just like to know nice things about the place so I suggest that quoute SHOULDBold text be removed ok. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.180.251 (talk) 18:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no concensus. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:05, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
St Pauls, Bristol → St Paul's, Bristol — Conventional but incorrect as per the council website. [1][2] AJUK ^Talk!! 19:15, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can show other use on the city council website such as [3] which show St Pauls. Why was this move made after only two days notice? Jezhotwells (talk) 21:30, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted and invited discussion here in a comment at WT:WikiProject Bristol#Page moves of St Pauls and St Werburghs. Jezhotwells (talk) 22:14, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do not support the move. St Pauls and St Paul's are both in common use on official sites. e.g. Avon & Somerset Police don't use the apostrophe. I vote to retain the original version as the different versions of presentation by the authorities mean there is no compelling reason to change. --Simple Bob (talk) 22:40, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment A google search shows St Paul's is the most common usage, including on government sites, and occurs with a frequency ten times higher than St Pauls in google news archives e.g. 1 2 --Pontificalibus (talk) 22:47, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Counts of google hits don't really mean much as pages are often counted many times. Both forms are used in official documents, the carnival is St Pauls Carnival [4], the official ward profile lists St Pauls [5], the Malcolm X Cummunity Centre says it serves St Pauls [6], St Pauls Community Association doesn't use the apostrophe [7]. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:25, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are you suggesting that Google counts each page with "St Paul's" on it more times than pages with "St Pauls"? It is quite evident that "St Paul's" is the form more commonly used on the internet.--Pontificalibus (talk) 00:30, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think you mean more commonly found using a search of Google News, which is a different thing altogether. Please see the countless discussions on this subject of counting google hits, and the unreliability of this as means of determining anything, at the WP:RSN archives for further information on this. I note that The Times, generally considered a newspaper of record, uses St Pauls ,

- - - - Staff writer (8 January 1981). "Drug offences by owner of Bristol riot cafe". The Times, archived at Times Digital Archive. Retrieved 2010-03-01.
      - Staff writer (12 March 1983). "Girl 'prisoner' was beaten and burnt". The Times, archived at Times Digital Archive. Retrieved 2010-03-01.
      - Hughes, Colin (19 November 1985). "Keeping the lid on the inner cities". The Times, archived at Times Digital Archive. Retrieved 2010-03-01.

My point is that both forms are used, that local bodies use St Pauls and I see no compelling reason for change. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:55, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Sourcing

What makes St Pauls Community Directory (St Pauls Unlimited Community Partnership, 2003) meet the reliable source criteria? Jezhotwells (talk) 12:47, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]