Talk:St Patrick's Sports Academy

This article was nominated for deletion on 16 June 2022. The result of the discussion was keep.

Official?

In the article introducing excerpts from Alan Brazil's book recently published by the Daily Record, CBC is described as an "UNofficial feeder club"? Camillus (talk) 19:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The taxonomy of this seems incorrect. In terms of Celtic Ladies, and Celtic players playing for Scotland, "Celtic Boys Club" is an unofficial youth team, but in an official capacity has no direct influence on or influence from Celtic FC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgjmce (talk • contribs) 22:50, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to St Patrick's Sports Academy?

In light of the name change reported by the BBC, perhaps the article should be renamed (while retaining a redirect from Celtic Boys Club) and amended to clarify it is still currently active and that it was formerly known as CBC? Paul W (talk) 11:18, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the page to St Patrick's Sports Academy. Paul W (talk) 10:26, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC article is inaccurate. Please keep page as Celtic Boys Club and if necessary create new page for St. Patrick's because Boys club was dissolved. St. Patrick's a new entity altogether. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonas.Diatta (talk • contribs) 21:25, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide any evidence for this assertion, from a reliable source (WP:RS)? Wikipedia reports what such sources say (WP:VER), e.g. the BBC article referenced, not what someone "knows" to be the "truth" (WP:OR). Jellyman (talk) 21:36, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Celtic Sports Academy SCIO was formed in 2016 and rebranded St Patrick’s Sport Academy SCIO in 2018 as per OSCR records Amacbean (talk) 22:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC article used the wrong badge for St Patricks and makes some incorrect statements about the academy Facebook account.

It feels like St Patricks should have it's own page detailing the information on it as an SYFA affiliated, SFA quality mark awarded club, that's recorded as being established in 2018 by both the SYFA (via their members portal) and the OSCR publicly.

If the BBC article is credible enough to link them to the Celtic Boys Club then that seems like a valid reason to link the 2 clubs individual pages rather than combine them. Amacbean (talk) 23:15, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Club badges frequently evolve. What now appears "the wrong badge" is probably what was current when reported by the BBC in November 2018 (scrolling down the club's Facebook page shows the 'BBC version', as do old posts on the club's Instagram account). How was the BBC incorrect about the academy's Facebook page? What might today be seen as incorrect statements might simply reflect that Facebook pages have been updated since 2018.

However, more critically, Amacbean, I am not sure St Patrick's is sufficiently notable to justify "its own page" (ie: in parallel to one about Celtic BC). A Google news search reveals no reliable coverage apart from the November 2018 BBC and May 2019 Times articles. A wider Google search shows other press coverage (Glasgow Times, Herald, NJ.com) of the Celtic BC child abuse allegations, but otherwise the remaining online sources about St Patrick's are routine social media, club website, etc - not significant coverage in reliable, secondary, independent sources (per WP:GNG). Unfortunately, it currently appears that St Patrick's is only notable because of its prior history as Celtic BC. Paul W (talk) 17:35, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the update so quickly. It's am interesting take, but I assume the OSCR isn't relevant enough either? The SYFA portal isn't publicly accessible which is a shame but it shows the overlap and potential reason for this confusion.

Would not disagree that St Patricks isn't notable being such an infant greatroots team, but incorrectly connecting it to the history (with both positive and unfortunately negative connotations) of another team based on assumptions and reports with no verifiable references seems off and a little dangerous.

You clearly are very experienced at this so I'll assume I've missed something and be assured that this will trend towards correct over time - as is the process.

Cheers. Amacbean (talk) 17:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, User:Amacbean. OSCR merely confirms that there was a name change in 2018, as was reported by the BBC, Times and other reliable sources (presumably, The Celtic Sports Academy SCIO was the formal charitable entity of Celtic BC. I did find a Scottish Parliament motion by Richard Lyle from 30 June 2017 noting the Academy had been organising youth football "for over 50 years", which fits with the 1966 date when Celtic BC was founded).

We strive to be accurate, particularly on sensitive matters where facts may be disputed. At the moment, the article is correctly citing verifiable sources - ie: "other people ... can check that the information comes from a reliable source". Per Wikipedia guidelines, we have to assume that these are accurate unless there are conflicting sources (see WP:Verify, particularly the section on neutrality). But I have yet to find any reliable, secondary, independent sources that contradict the historic past connection between St Patrick's and Celtic BC. The article reflects the coverage in this respect.

Thanks for discussing the issue on the article's Talk page. Paul W (talk) 18:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]