Talk:St Llibio's Church, Llanllibio/GA1

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Reviewer: Malleus Fatuorum (talk · contribs) 21:53, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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"... a memorial stone is the most substantial surviving mark of the church's location" implies that there are others, less substantial. Yet the history section appears to say otherwise: "no substantial traces of it now remain".
- Reworded, quoting from the source to avoid ambiguity.

What is the site now?
- Goodness knows; looks like some field near a house in the photo, and the satellite photo suggests it's next to a farm... The sources don't say, alas.

History

"St Llibio's Church was the church for Llanllibio in Anglesey, north Wales". Can we not do anything about that "Church ... church"? And shouldn't it be "North Wales"?
- "church... church..." not sure how to avoid that, short of "St Llibio's was the church for Llanllibio", which feels a bit informal for first usage ("St Llibio's what?"). As for north/North, we've had this discussion before and it looks like we agreed to differ on it!

... a Welsh form of land tenure where the inhabitants ...". The concept of a tir cyfrif township wasn't a place, therefore "where" isn't the right word.
- is "in which" any better?

" ... Llanllibio effectively disappeared during the Middle Ages". What does "effectively" mean here?
- Aargh, that's the one book I don't have at home or scanned in for easy reference; will have to check precisely what Carr was saying. My recollection is that the name of the place continues but there's nobody living there. Would a link to Abandoned village be useful? I've reworded for now anyway.

"Llibio himself is recorded as having founded the first church on the site", So was there a second or third church?
- <OR>Very probably; it's highly unlikely that any structure from the 6th century lasted as long as 1776... (grin) </OR> I can't say for certain, reading the sources I've found so far - nobody even describes the ruined structure, let alone its date. Reworded to "a church". Bencherlite ^Talk 01:29, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My final observation is that the lead needs to be expanded to say just a little about why the community declined and the church was consequently closed. Malleus Fatuorum 01:55, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Expanded with a long sentence and a few stray words... Bencherlite ^Talk 02:05, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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