Talk:St. Peter (disambiguation)

سلام — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.244.5.215 (talk) 05:26, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 July 2019

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The result of the move request was: not moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 15:42, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

St. Peter (disambiguation) → Saint Peter (disambiguation) – Per MOS:SAINTS, per WP:CONSISTENCY with main article Saint Peter, List of saints named Peter, Saint Peter Parish, Chair of Saint Peter, Saint Peter's tomb, etc. PPEMES (talk) 10:41, 1 July 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. JHunterJ (talk) 13:46, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME - incidentally the main article should clearly be at Apostle Peter which is the form found in books. The fact that the article is at ridiculous location due to filibustering and searching Google Maps for church names, etc, is not a reason to fix this. Go back, fix the main article. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:12, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There have been plenty of discussion in the main article. Feel free to update there as you wish. I was just appealing to consistency here. PPEMES (talk) 15:23, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No it isn't. Saint Peter (or St Peter or St. Peter) is far, far more common. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:27, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom, as long as the choice is between 'St.' and 'Saint'. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:56, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per In ictu oculi. No offense to the nominator; for me, the issue is not really the nomination itself, more the context. Thanks. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 03:23, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per name. The COMMONNAME argument doesn't hold water, as this may be St. Peter or St Peter depending on where you come from. That's the whole point. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:27, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What's so important about St Peter vs. St. Peter? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 00:28, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The first is common Commonwealth usage; the second common North American usage. Always a sensitive issue. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:10, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

However, we can always create a redirect from one to another. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 16:23, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Given neither is more common than the other the expanded abbreviation is best. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:08, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

To add to this, Wikipedia doesn't suffer from the print-imposed space restrictions which arguably ought to be taken into account when evaluating and weighting sourced options. We can afford to unpack this abbrevation for the convenience of the readers' readiblity, along MOS:SAINTS. PPEMES (talk) 13:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to sound rude, but seriously? Someone from America sees "St Peter" and doesn't know what the page is about? Are we insulting our readers' intelligence? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 03:17, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Necrothesp has a point, it could be either St. or St, but that's an argument for picking one or the other (let's keep the default per TITLECHANGES), not to choose a 3rd option. --В²C ☎ 20:11, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There certainly is no common name for the precise title "St. Peter (disambiguation)". So if you want to deviate from WP:CONSISTENCY with Saint Peter, don't you have any more convincing argument? PPEMES (talk) 21:44, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, the "(disambiguation)" portion is not part of the name for which we're seeking a common name. And, if you look at the list of entries on the dab page itself, you'll find that "St. Peter" dominates. --В²C ☎ 22:02, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:TITLECHANGES. Incessant fiddling of unimportant things does more damage than good. I might actually prefer the proposed, preferring to avoid unnecessary abbreviations, but this is so unimportant as to not be worth disturbing the historical continuity of the page title and all historic past downstream uses. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:53, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good point about WP:TITLECHANGES. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 01:53, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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