Talk:St. Patrick High School (North Platte, Nebraska)

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Athletics table

I've again removed a table listing the various placings in state athletic tournaments and replaced it with a short paragraph listing the nine state championships.

The formatting of the table was a mess. It awkwardly occupied an enormous amount of space on the left side of the page, crowding text and citations off into the right, and overlapping with bullets and numbers therefrom.

The table was also full of runners-up and third- and fourth-places. There was no imaginable reason why it couldn't be extended to include Good Sportsmanship awards, Honorable Mentions, attendance certificates, and you-name-it. Under WP:INFO, we have to establish a cutoff somewhere; and I'd say that actual championships, and not just "made the state tournament", should be the criterion. My paragraph is sourced to the NSAA website (a citation that was lost when my previous edit on this was reverted); someone who wants to know when St. P. placed fourth in boy's golf can follow the link.

My short paragraph takes up only two lines in the article; even if the table'd been better formatted, it would have occupied much more space. This seems like giving undue weight to sports in an article that's purportedly about an educational institution. Ammodramus (talk) 11:44, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As much as I hate the consolation games they are apart of the NSAA tournaments and award trophys for them. It shows they are better than 90% of the class. The table is a nice summation of their state history. Make it better rather than deleting it. Your summary paragraph is a disservice to the page. 69.148.181.163 (talk) 17:04, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Per the WikiProject Schools article guidelines, "Other Sections" head, "Extracurricular activities" subhead:

"Major extra curricular championships should be appropriately listed in a "Sports", "Athletics", or "Activities" section. Major extra curricular championships will be defined as the highest possible championship a team can win from that activity's organizing committee. In the United States, this would nominally be a "state championship"... National championships, when referenced, may also be listed."

This seems to draw the line: state championships should be listed; lesser accomplishments should be omitted.

The table is not a "nice summation". It uses something like a quarter of the article's page area for information that could be conveyed in two sentences. I made it better: I reduced it to those two sentences, eliminated content that didn't meet the relevant WikiProject standards for article inclusion, and added a citation. Ammodramus (talk) 22:14, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that the question of whether to include second-, third-, fourth-, etc. place finishes at state tournaments was discussed at WikiProject Schools Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Schools/Article_guidelines#Guidelines_for_extra-curricular_accomplishments, and the consensus was against inclusion. — Ammodramus (talk) 14:14, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]