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General note: Please refrain from making rogue edits that significantly change the page without posting to the discussion board. We can make a group decision here. Please feel free to continue this discussion. ~~Terrance —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.5.236.254 (talk) 21:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

You dont seem to understand how Wikipedia works. We don't to ask permission to edit. A huge image that's not of a SJWD that violates the guidelines for image placement in our Manual of Style needs to be removed. Read the policies and guidelines before making pronouncements about what we should refrain from. Steven Walling (talk) 21:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

This picture is not large. Is within posting guidelines, and has been on this page almost since its inception. You did not create this page, and have not ever made any significant contribution to it. Please refrain from dropping in, an tearing it apart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.251.208.11 (talk) 01:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Please refrain from trying own a page. Everyone has a right to "drop in" and help contribute. If you want an image or other content included, the onus is on you to verify why it should be there. Just because something has been in an article, does not mean it gets to stay there forever. Read the manual of style. Large, left-aligned images that squeeze text between two images and disrupt readability are disallowed. Steven Walling (talk) 01:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Bullying is not permitted. Further attempts to vandalize a page that you have had nothing to do with to this pount will be reported and arbitration will be requested. Do not make edits to this page without the group concensus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nora Bayes (talk • contribs) 01:57, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


Hi. I have made a number of edits and written material for this page over the past year or two. I agree with the poster. Noone should just drop in and delete our work without discussion. The genetic history of the St. John's Dog is important because they were the foundational breed of many of today's most popular breeds. I would support notifying this Steven Walling first if this continues. ">JoKing

Adding one image of this dog to a bunch of articles is not "work." You clearly also do not understand how Wikipedia works. Arbitration is a last resort measure for very big problems, not everyday disputes. I will let the ugliness of the articles speak for itself in the future. Steven Walling (talk) 03:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

It's important that new contributors confine edits that go against general consensus of the group to policies and rule violations, not personal opinions. That's the important part of editing. I left a polite first notice (Wiki Template) on this user's page, but it was immediately deleted by him. That's a rule violation in itself, I believe. JoKing (talk) 11:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

A note was left on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs page about this article, come over and talk about it. My assessment is that the article is much more important than most of the breed articles, because of the historical links to other breeds, but the article needs inline citations and more information. As to appearance, what was probably bothering the other person was that the pictures hung over into sections that they didn't illustrate, thus squeezing the text. Perhaps the picture of the modern day dog should be made smaller, since it is just illustrating the pervasiveness of the "tuxedo" pattern; there isn't any proof that it is a descendent of the St. Johns dog. (I went ahead and tried it; to change to another size, change the |100px| .) Also, if someone can find a reference -- wasn't the St. John's dog supposed to be a native American dog? I seem to recall having read that somewhere.--Hafwyn (talk) 02:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

It's a breed from Newfoundland that predates that Province's joining with Canada. Perhaps you read it was a native North American dog, but it was definitely confined to the Island of Newfoundland. Also, I agree the pic should be larger. Hafwyn, my DH is visually impaired and couldn't see it well on his special monitor when it was downsized.

Size is Ok with me either way. You should tell him though that most photos on wikipedia, if you click on them, will show a full size version. Oh, and I meant "Native American" dog as in "North American Indian" dog. I'll keep an eye out for the reference, but you would know more about it than I do!--Hafwyn (talk) 20:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Update: Despite the decision and agreement to keep the color photo on this page (both here and in WikiProject Dogs) the same person has made other attempts to remove it. (As far as I can see it's his only "contribution" to the page.) I've reversed the edit. JoKing (talk) 19:56, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

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