Talk:Spy × Family (TV series)

Just want to ask about the date format

Why do this page has a different date format with other page in the same Spy × Family family? When we tried to include the episode overview, we have to make 2 of them and have to edit 2 of them instead of just use one? Can we choose one format so it is easier for the contributors/editors instead of "following the first creator of the page". And I meant to ask you @Rajan51, because you kept changing it back. Can we just change it into every other page's date format because it is more convenient and rational, instead of being stubborn and keep this page with a different format? - Theodorethebear (talk) 10:48, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

There is hardly any work required for the episode overview. We can just have the same code on both pages and specify the corresponding date formats. And there is no real problem with different pages having different date formats. - Rajan51 (talk) 12:16, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, in my opinion, it doesn't make any sense to have a different date style since this article is related to other articles with different date styles, and it creates inconsistency. So in this regard I rather change the whole dates manually to have a matching date with its other related articles even thou as you said "Consistency is needed only within articles, not across articles" but this shouldn't just be counted as a completely different article. Parham.es (talk) 23:28, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

This is not a "Consistency is needed only within articles, not across articles" issue, its a technical issue, hence why I changed it to begin with. Anything related to the Spy x Family TV series must have one single date format for technical reasons Rajan51; you cannot simply copy and paste the series overview template from the episode list page to the TV series, because the season linking on the table will otherwise not work. I honestly don't care what date format you put it in, but if you're going to change it again, you also need to date reformat the episode list and season pages and leave the overview table as an invoke template on the TV series page, otherwise I will keep reverting it. If you have enough energy to keep changing back the date format on the TV series page, then you have the energy to change them on the episode lists and seasons articles too to fix this problem.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 04:08, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

I have changed the redirect link on the page to the season sections within this page. And it works. - Rajan51 (talk) 10:27, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

It's supposed to redirect to the episode tables on the List of, not the TV series sections. You just reformatted it in your latest edit to accommodate it. Go look at Attack on Titan and Breaking Bad to see how it's done. Change the date format on the episode list and seasons or it'll keep being reverted. Don't edit war with me over this, just do what I tell you regarding this matter and you can come out with the date format you want.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 08:40, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

But why is it supposed to redirect to the List of Episodes table, and not to the sections within the page or to the seasons' respective pages? Rajan51 (talk) 07:18, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Rajan51: No idea but the template creator of overview and episode table oversees the pages I linked so clearly it must be like that for a reason. Any MOS can be discarded when it comes to technical restrictions.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 03:10, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@GalaxyFighter55: I get discarding MOS due to technical restrictions, but in this case, the technical restriction seems to apply only if we attempt to redirect it to the List of episodes page. The redirect links in the page were working when the redirect was pointed at sections within this page. So if there is no specific reason for the overview table to redirect to the List of episodes page, we don't have to redirect to that page. - Rajan51 (talk) 04:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Rajan51: Redirecting an overview to page sections that are just barely two mouse scrolls down from it is not only totally pointless, but counterproductive to the design of the template. Stick to the original function. And like I said, all I'm asking of you is to change the date formats on the episode articles to resolve this. You're the only one here putting all this pressure on yourself, just do what I ask if you want the date format back.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 05:08, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@GalaxyFighter55: In that case, how about redirecting to the page for the individual seasons? That seems to work as well. - Rajan51 (talk) 05:14, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Rajan51: I'd rather keep the invoke on the TV series so that's not an option.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 05:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@GalaxyFighter55: Why not? I was thinking about it more and I think even without considering the date format, it would be better to redirect to the individual season pages since the list of episodes page has very limited information about each season. On the other hand, the pages about the individual seasons have more info about the season's development and distribution, and more importantly, they have the plot summaries of the season's episodes. - Rajan51 (talk) 05:55, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

I disagree with you here. When people click to the links in the overview (which listed the number of the episode and date), they want to see the episodes, not the information of the season. Also, it is like 2-3 mouse drag to the episode summary. Also we have table of content to lead them down the season summary, and we don't need the link in the season overview to link to a section of the same page for no reason.

"I was thinking about it more and I think even without considering the date format,"

You should not lie about your intention here. All of your edit in this page is about the date format. You have not add anything helpful or substantially informative for the page. Your intention is to change the date format and you stubbornly stick with it and inconvenient others.

-Theodorethebear (talk) 09:05, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

@GalaxyFighter55: If you don't have any reason against it, I'll change the redirect to the season pages because it would be more useful as I have explained above. - Rajan51 (talk) 10:20, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@Rajan51: This problem won't be resolved until the following issue is resolved. The only one keeping this going is you, Rajan, because you refuse to do what I suggest to fix the technical issue. Why is the date format on this particular article so important to you that you'd get rid of an invoke template table, one that could reflect the edits made on its original base article? If you want, we could take this to a WP admin noticeboard to get this issue resolved once and for all, because it seems like the talk page alone isn't making any progress.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 17:54, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

@GalaxyFighter55: The issue may have started out over date formats, but that is no longer what it is about. As I have stated in my last couple of replies in this section, it would be an improvement to change the target of the redirect from the List of episodes page to the pages of the respective seasons, and I have provided the reasons for my argument. That is the crux of the issue now. You are the one who is fixated on it being redirected to the List of episodes page, and you have not provided any reason for that should be the case yet. - Rajan51 (talk) 15:16, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Very well then, you can keep the date format. But since you’re so insistent on copy and pasting a series overview for the sake of a damn date format (and then having the audacity to change how it operates just to get what you want), then I guess the TV series article doesn’t really need one to begin with. Problem solved, right?--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 22:45, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

I am not changing the the redirect to the season pages just to change the date format. In fact, when I get the time, I will open a discussion to have the redirect links pointed to the respective season pages(if they exist) for all TV series, if the respective List of Episodes pages do not have sufficient info. And having a series overview table is better than not having one, and duplicating it is not a problem. - Rajan51 (talk) 18:37, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

You will not, you are clearly bluffing. Your proposal wouldn't pass regardless because not every single TV series has its own individual season articles. Many have just List of pages. Anyways, no proper invoke, no table. That's the deal. Or if you'd like we could go back to the same old method of me matching the dates with the other side again. Because at the end of the day, you are still copying and pasting it. Your choice.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 01:54, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm not bluffing. I will when I get the time, and I have clearly stated in my previous reply that it will only be for pages that have pages for its seasons, and only if the list of pages do not have sufficient information. As for this page, there's no problem with copying and pasting it. Stop removing sections of the page just because you didn't get what you wanted. - Rajan51 (talk) 04:23, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

On the contrary, you are actively reverting an invoke because you are not getting what you wanted. Didn't want this? Don't actively clash very similar articles with different date formats that need invoke templates. You are wasting editors time with double the workload because of it.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 05:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

The series overview rarely requires changes, so even "double to workload" is hardly anything. And if other editors do not want to make those edits twice, I will make sure that the overview is updated myself. I am revoking the invoke mainly because, the redirects on the series overview table on that page do not point to the individual season pages, and therefore does not have important information that would help readers. Also, the two pages have different date formats, and having two tables is not a problem. - Rajan51 (talk) 05:27, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@Rajan51: I still disagree, I find you are being rather silly on the matter. But we've reached past WP:3RR, and getting blocked over this isn't worth it. You "win" the case, goodbye. Also, you don't need to propose such a thing, just go edit the articles themselves. They're not bound to a template.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 05:31, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind, did I test edit and the template creator reverted the direct linking, so I'm changing it back on here. Although, he didn't give much a good reason for it. Don't revert it until you make your proposal.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 06:28, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@Rajan51: I finally figured out a coding that works in both our interests, you can rest now.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 01:36, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@GalaxyFighter55: You fixed the secondary problem, but the primary one still remains. You are still redirecting only to the List of Episodes page. Why are you so insistent on having it redirect there when the season pages have more important and useful information for readers? In fact, it makes more sense to redirect to the individual season pages in the series overview in the List of Episodes page as the redirect is just a few scrolls below the series overview itself on that page. - Rajan51 (talk) 13:20, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@Rajan51: As I already told you, that issue is non-negotiable until you make a proposal to change it and a group user consensus accepts it. I tried your suggestion on List of Rick and Morty episodes as a test and the literal guy behind the very creation of the template immediately reverted it. It's not me, so don't act like it is.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 18:38, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@GalaxyFighter55: Well, it looks like he reverted it because you made the change without any explanation in your edit summary or the talk page. But alright, I will just make the proposal when I get the time. - Rajan51 (talk) 06:37, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Rajan51: Trust me, I know him; he would have reverted it regardless. That's just how it is and you've got to accept it.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Well, in that case, a proposal is the way to go. - Rajan51 (talk) 13:03, 3 December 2023 (UTC)