Talk:Springtime (guitar)

Notability tag

(Early part of this discussion copied from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Piano_non_troppo .)

Hello, I've removed your tag on this article. (Springtime (guitar)) You were right there are instruments with more than just plain 6 strings, but this instrument has a stereo system (not like on the Rickenbackers, but completly separated outputs for the individual string sessions). This relevance of this object is besides this odd deviation also because it has been made exclusive for Blood Red Shoes, Lou Barlow and dEUS, which are all quiet famous bands. 83.87.170.234 (talk) 07:54, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I think I see where you're going on this, but being used by a famous band doesn't mean it's notable, necessarily. What is needed is some quote in the article (from a reliable source) that explains how the instrument itself is notable. That is, not everything associated with something famous, is notable itself. Piano non troppo (talk) 07:57, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

(I was typing at the same moment as you did:Oops, sorry, I suddenly realize it is not very nice to remove the tagging. What's your opinion? If you consider it not relevant I can put the tag back if you like and set up a discussion. I also found this article which could be useful for your information. I also added the behind the bridge blonde version instead of the blue Springtime, because this makes more sense related to that particular article: Tailed bridge guitar. As far as I know, not other guitars have this behind the bridge pickup configuration except one custom made instrument of Sonic Youth.83.87.170.234 (talk) 08:01, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Concerning your second reply: Being used by 3 famous bands (not just one) helps its relevance. It is indeed not notable for just this particular reason. You mention you would like to have a reliable source. The modernguitars.com is very reliable. It also has been reviewed in Guitar magazine (UK) and I also found this source: http://www.vintageguitar.com/newswire/detail.asp?newsID=603. The Dutch VPRO is also a very reliable source. It is the main Dutch broadcasting organisation dedicated to progressive art and music.83.87.170.234 (talk) 08:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Not a big deal removing that tag, in this case...an ideal way to do it is to add information that resolves the issue (or, as you have done, you can question whether the tag is really appropriate at all).

What would be good is some quote -- in the Wiki article -- for example that some charted song was reviewed by "Rolling Stone", where the review said something like "The Springtime guitar creates the sensational sound which made this song outstanding." Just to make this a little clearer -- from what the article says right now, it's not clear that any of the artists who bought it even liked it. It's the article that needs a little more info. Piano non troppo (talk) 08:15, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I doubt if such quotes would be good to add. It might become an advertisement if you add very positive subjective feedback from a music journalist, don't you think? I'm not very enthousiastic about quoting journalists and think the guitar reviews are less subjectivly written, because they just describe the technical details and not if it sounds nice or bad. Anyway, there is not very much known about these instruments unfortunately because they are not very old yet and what the musicians think of it. I could only find this interview, which makes sense to me, they like it. http://www.wombatwombat.co.uk/ 83.87.170.234 (talk) 08:34, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I see the link is not coming through clearly, because the url sticks on the front page, Here is the involved Q&A with Blood Red Shoes: How's Laura-Mary getting on with her Yuri Landman-custom-made triplet guitar and when can we expect to hear it in action? Well… don't think you'll get to hear it this time around. Because it's in a totally different tuning, and because it uses three amps, we have to write songs specifically with that guitar. Which we've started doing actually, but nothing is finished enough for these dates. When we do bring it out, which I reckon will happen next year, it's gonna scare the shit out of everyone because that thing sounds like the thunders of hell when you stick it through a big muff. It's the most evil, beautiful thing.

Actually, it was the advertising aspect that caught my attention: The photo you added has a copyright justification reading: "The guitar I've built for Mauro" and "own work". Now I notice that the article on Yuri Landman was once nominated for deletion, and that the discussion includes Yuri himself defending the article on himself. If you are Yuri, or acting on his behalf, that's probably not a good idea. Anyhow, I'm going to move this discussion to the Springtime (guitar) page, because I think other editors need to consider what's going on. Piano non troppo (talk) 09:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)