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I'm looking at this page on April 12th, 2011, and I'm really wondering how it could have premiered tomorrrow, already...

I'm looking at this page on June 24th, 2011, after it has not been picked up for more episodes and am wondering why Comedy Central broadcast this new show during the NBA playoffs! "Wait, what?" Broadcast new sports show during the NBA playoffs! No wonder this new show only averaged about 1 million viewers, which is not bad ratings at all for a Comedy Central show. Come on Comedy Central, give this show another chance and try some new episodes when there is not a competing sport event airing at the exact same time. "What the H!" --RedEyedCajun (talk) 05:55, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bolding show segments

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The bulleted list of show segments should not receive any boldface formatting, as per Wikipedia's policy listed here. WP:MOS is a guide applicable to Wikipedia articles. Examples of WP:NPOV and WP:NOTHOWTO don't really apply as they are policy pages and not articles. Thank you. BarkeepChat/$ 20:48, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, it appears we disagree. WP:MOSBOLD guidelines do allow exceptions/modifications and flexibility. However, we don't even need to consider this an "exception" because WP:MOSBOLD clearly states "definition lists" can be bolded, such as the modified "definition lists" examples in WP:NPOV and WP:NOTHOWTO, which very experienced Wiki editors created. IMO, experienced editors would not suddenly abandon the MOS guidelines they have learned to follow religiously just because they are writing on a Wiki guideline article.
WP:MOSBOLD is a flexible guideline which clearly states it allows this particular type of bolding and other exceptions/modifications using common sense. By simply bolding the segment names in this article, it is very similar to making them "sub-headings" (which are automatically bolded), but avoids the visual problems physically sub-heading them would cause within the article and also avoids the problem of having them automatically listed in the "contents box", which could have grown large if this new show had continued. By simply bolding the segment names, it makes for much easier visual scanning of the article and "contents box", therefore, improving overall readability of the article. Also, the segment names, which are further defined, are then modified "definition lists", and WP:MOSBOLD specifically states "definition lists" can be bolded (as the modified "definition lists" on WP:NPOV and WP:NOTHOWTO show us). Since you have not stated the specific wording in WP:MOSBOLD which states this is not ever allowed and I also believe it does not violate WP:MOSBOLD (either in spirit or letter of the guideline), I am once again restoring the bolded segment names.
For those who wish to compare the article with and without segment names bolded:
Article with bolding of segment names: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sports_Show_with_Norm_Macdonald&oldid=435939690
Article without bolding of segment names: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sports_Show_with_Norm_Macdonald&oldid=436732900
--RedEyedCajun (talk) 00:51, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality/Professionalism of article

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I find that a lot of this article sounds more of the tone of a TV critic than an encyclopedia page. For instance: "Sports Show covers the most topical and controversial sporting news delivered with Macdonald's signature smirk and absurdist dry spin. The format lends itself to Macdonald's strengths: topical humor, wacky field segments, and long form comedic rants." I think this needs to be overhauled as well as the article put in past tense due to the show's cancellation and some of the expansive detail of the show segments shortened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gd129 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

RE: changing the tense of the article to past tense:
The following discussion is 'cut and pasted' from the WikiProject Television talk page here

It has been suggested that once a show has been canceled, the entire tense of the show article should be changed to the past tense. But I seem to remember reading somewhere on Wiki that the tense of a show article (even if the show is no longer broadcast) should remain in the present tense since the show is still available on DVDs, reruns, etc. So, what do we do with the tense of a new show that will no longer be broadcast? --RedEyedCajun (talk) 06:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

It should be present tense. The only thing that should be put into past tense would be anything detailing the actual production of the show. For instance, you wouldn't say "Show X is filmed in Country Y" after a show is off the air because it's inaccurate. But "Show X" will always be a television show, so you wouldn't say "Show X was...", because that insinuates it no longer is. The only way for that to be true would be if the show was deleted off the face of the Earth.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 07:00, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Correct. Creative works will always exist. the_undertow talk 07:03, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Therefore, the tense of the article should always remain in present tense. --RedEyedCajun (talk) 09:25, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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