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Spokane language needs separate page

I just happened to be writing an article on Nicola, a BC-side Okanagan chief whose inherited name Hwistesmetxe'qen was of Spokane origin, and discovered there was no language article to directly link to; there is no "Spokane language" article; the

on Salishan languages also redirects here.  Emerging standards in the Indigenous peoples Wikiproject call for separate ethno/history, language and government/organization articles, and separate community/band articles as well.  Just mentioning this and I do happen to know of a Spokane language grad student at U.Vic so given appropriate politicking (need someone as middle ground given our mutual background, y'see) I'll see if he can be recruited to do a standard Wiki-style linguistics article at some point; doesn't seem many Interior Salish languages have separate write-ups from tribal articles; there's at least some for the Coast.Skookum1 22:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See the Spokane(tribe/Volk)-article in the german Wikipedia

I wrote the major part of the Spokane(Volk)-article in the german Wikipedia. Maybe something in it is also useful in this english Wikiepedia, for example this map?:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Lebensraum_der_Spokane_Indianer.png There are only some rights reserved, mainly it is to name the author of the map in the form he called it there, so no problem to use it here, if the creator of the map is mentioned. Maybe better is the map in http://www.spokanetribe.com/page.php?code=reservation, but I don't know the rights. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spokane_(Volk)

In any case I in the english article added the Link to History and Culture, as it is presented in the Website of the Wellpinit School District, there are many further informations.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:Schratmaki at 12. February 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.218.18.169 (talk) 13:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Move

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The result of the move request was {{{1}}} Uyvsdi (talk) 07:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Spokane Tribe" seems like a more logically and commonly used term that "Spokan Tribe". -Uyvsdi (talk) 18:06, 21 December 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

Yes, but "Spokan Tribe" is correct (the Native Americans spelled it that way). Samwb123^T-C-@ 19:17, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They DID? I know James Teit and the Catholic Encyclopedia and HBC journalists used that spelling, but it's a complete surprise to me that pre-literate Native Americans had any spelling at all.....Skookum1 (talk) 19:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The tribe itself seems to believe its spelled "Spokane"^[1]^[2]^[3] I would be inclined to take their word for it. -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:29, 21 December 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

NO, they spelled it "Spokan", or rather latter-day tribe members and ethnologists use it to distinguish it from the city, which was named after them (or rather after Fort Spokane) (although the much out-of-date Catholic Encyclopedia uses the "Spokan" spelling, and it also uccurs in Teit - NB "they" originally didn't spell it any which way, they didn't use our alphabet nor had one of their own.... The main problem with your name change is that capital-T "Tribe" infers that the article would be about the government of the Spokan, i.e. the constituted tribal suthority, not the people themselves, which is/should be a separate article. "Spokan Tribe" is not a referenced name, and should be reverted to Spokan (tribe) or Spokane (tribe) - and NB in Canadian cases and in some WA-state and other cases, the formation Spokan people or Spokane people would/could be used....But capital-T "Tribe" is a no-go for an ethnography article, which is what this is supposed to be....Skookum1 (talk) 19:33, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Googled it, and although their page is "under construction" its google title is Spokane Tribe of Indians, which would be the name for the government article (and the Reservation redirect should go there, although ideally the Reservation should have its own article). I think, given User:Samwb123's evident lack of experience with {{NorthAmNative}} article formats, that (as an experienced editor in that field) I'm just gonna change it to something more appropriate; the remaining Spokane Tribe redirect should go to the Spokane Tribe of Indians government article, once it's created.Skookum1 (talk) 19:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I was gonna change it to Spokane people but that's already in place as a redirect and I'm not an admin; I don't think "Spokan people" is correct to use, given the Tribe's own usage and teh archaic nature of that spelling....Skookum1 (talk) 19:43, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spokane people seems fine to me - maybe we can ask an administrator. The three links above are from the tribe (their website's currently down but the google cache for every single page is still visible; one's a tribal license plate produced by the tribe). Seeing links/refs that are more authoritative for "Spokan" would convince me. I'm finding the Catholic Encyclopedia and Access Genealogy, neither of which seem to be the highest authority on Indian affairs. Tribal members, such as Char Teters and Sherman Alexie also use "Spokane". Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

Requested move

Spokan Tribe → Spokane people — User made undiscussed, unilateral move to name suggesting that this is a page for the tribal government, when it is actually an article about the Spokane ethnic group. —Uyvsdi (talk) 19:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

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Requested move

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The result of the move request was: no consensus, so by default the page is not moved. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:41, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Spokane people → Spokan – target is redirect to current title created by Fastifex on June 11 2006. People article was created as "Spokane (tribe)" by 216.178.56.251 on July 8 2005. Then moved from there to "Spokan tribe" by Samwb 123 then to "Spokan Tribe" by same author, then to Spokane people by Mark Shabazz on Nov 23 2009] then moved by Kwami to "Spokane tribe" on March 11 2011, then reverted by Maunus on March 12, 2011 citing "no nconsensus for move. Tribes and peoples are not necesarrily synonymous and moving requires discussion to decide what is the precise topic of this article)." "Spokan" title as standalone was created in the days of the "old consensus", which has since been ignored by those advancing pet guidelines and "anglicizing" titles without warrant per WP:Naming conventions (ethnicities and tribes). Skookum1 (talk) 07:27, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose until the issue is addressed properly. These should be discussed at a centralized location.

There was a discussion once on whether the ethnicity should have precedence for the name, and it was decided it shouldn't. That could be revisited. But it really should be one discussion on the principle, not thousands of separate discussions at every ethnicity in the world over whether it should be at "X", "Xs", or "X people". — kwami (talk) 12:29, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. An identified people should be the primary topic of a term absent something remarkable standing in the way. bd2412 T 02:39, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. Spokane people call themselves "Spokane" not "Spokan" — official tribal website, [], another tribal business, tribal college, Indian Health Board, language program, Washington Governor's Office of Indian Affairs, Indian Country Today coverage, constitution, name of reservation, notable tribal artist, notable tribal author, etc., etc. Meanwhile "Spokan" gets the British Encyclopedia and many hits from a road in Florida. -Uyvsdi (talk) 03:59, 22 March 2014 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

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