Talk:Splat Pack

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Criticism

This article needs a criticism seciton -- nameley that people are sick of having more "packs" and also that very notable horror directors are not a part of the pack. There have been numerous articles written criticizing the Splat Pack. Does anyone want to add a section with refs? I'll do it if no one takes it. I just figured that an "expert" might want to do it. Rockstar915 06:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are probably numerous articles praising the Splat Pack, so showing only one side is rather POV. Some people (I.E. you apparently, or else you probably wouldn't request such a section) don't like them, a lot of them do.--CyberGhostface 22:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Woah there. I have no problem with the group. I have just read a lot of criticisms about them, hence my request to add a new section and improve the article. Jeez, calm down. Rockstar915 22:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm being 'calm'. I'm just pointing out that A.) There is probably just as many as praise as there is criticism so only showing one side would come across as POV and B.) Half of the time whenever someone makes a criticism section its often filled with editor's own comments with weasel words, I.E "Some people didn't like this movie, they thought it was poorly written" and so forth.--CyberGhostface 23:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, I understand yout arguments. But when a film is not well received, there is a section on Wikipedia saying that. Or, if there has been controversy about something, it's on Wikipedia. See Alexander or New Rave for example. If there has been substantial criticism about a group -- or anything, for that matter -- then that information belongs on Wikipedia. I personally have no opinion about the Splat Pack -- I have just done some research and found much criticism about it, which makes sense. Why wouldn't it belong on Wikipedia? I believe that intentionally not adding a section on Wikipedia because you disagree with it absolutely fails NPOV. Rockstar915 01:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aside from stuff The Devil's Rejects and the Saw films, (neither of which I liked for the gore but because I liked the villains in those films) I really don't care for a lot of the splat pack films. And to tell the truth I'm tired of every new horror film being one of them. But at the same time, stuff like Alexander was met with a largely negative reaction. Splat packer films, while not exactly critical darlings, have mostly been popular with the horror fans. Its criticism should be noted, I'll admit, but it shouldn't be the whole section. Would you agree on making a "Reactions" section that shows both opinions?--CyberGhostface 01:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like the way that sounds. I think that my idea for the "criticisms" section was mostly about the group itself, not their films. I've just read that a lot of very significant horror directors were left out of the "pack" when they should have been in it -- that's really all. I apologize for being snappy earlier -- I had just woken up. But I think a "reactions" section works well too. Oh -- I saw that you've created a lot of Rob Zombie-related articles. In one of the Splat Pack articles (I think it's the Time article), Rob Zombie is referenced as an actual member. In the other it cites him as a mentor. Do you happen to know which is correct? :) Rockstar915 03:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. House of 1000 Corpses was one of the earlier splat pack films (made when the Scream trend was around, but arrived much later) and some other splat pack people such as Darren Lynn Bousman have gone to him for help. But besides that, I'm not sure. But I'd say he's more of a mentor than Guillermo del Toro, who I wasn't even aware that he was a splat packer in the first place.--CyberGhostface 19:30, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... I wonder if anyone knows the answer to the Rob Zombie question. I think you're right about him being a mentor -- he would stick out like a sore thumb in the company of the other directors if he were a member. And I'm totally with you on Guillermo del Toro! I have no idea how he could be considered one of their mentors, but apparently he is... Rockstar915 19:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why "notable" horror directors should be included on this list. Most of these directors have only been making flicks for the last ten years. So putting "notable" directors, as you call them, who would you even consider? Wes Craven? John Carpenter? Tobe Hooper? I don't understand who else could be added to the list that isn't on here, that isn't listed in another movement of film. Just because they still make horror movies today, during the same time frame as the splat pack, doesn't mean that they are the same type of directors. I think that's why Masters of Horror was created, to lump together those who have created some of the pasts greatest horror films, and still direct today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leviathanlover (talk • contribs) 03:11, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bias

This article seems strongly biased against the "splat pack." Subsequently, I'm nominating to be checked for neutrality. I'm not familiar enough with the work of the directors involved or with film in general to check it myself. -Elizabennet | talk 21:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I don't see the bias. It seems, to me, as though it's pretty straight-forward and even states that the directos often "find substantial box office success." Therefore, I'm really not sure how it could be construed as being negative toward the "pack." That said, I didn't start the article, but I do think it should be cleaned-up and cited. And I stand by my comment about it needing a "criticisms" section. Rockstar915 22:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone through the article and cited sources. I do believe that it needs to be expanded still, but I'm pretty sure it has a NPOV.Rockstar915 22:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

dudes, half of the people on that list were involved with directing Saw, really guys, this is an actual article? Why not make one up with all those comedians from the judd apatow fimls like seth rogan, jonah hill and bill hader? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.97.180.102 (talk) 19:37, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, dude, there is an article on the people who are in the Judd films, it's called The Frat Pack. Research. If you could fight any historical figure, who would it be? 03:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leviathanlover (talk • contribs)

Members/Mentors

Ok, so here's the deal: I'm sure that everyone is disputing the members/mentors, and who belongs in the groups and what not. I say that each member and mentor needs at least one citation -- otherwise it can just be seen as WP:OR and will be deleted. Rockstar915 06:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grindhouse

Just curious, how does 'Grindhouse' fit into the 'Splat Pack' genre? Its gory, but not in the same vein of prolonged torture as Saw and Hostel, but more of a gross-out 'eeewww' type film? That, and I don't think Tarantino and Rodriguez were ever mentioned to be part of the Splat Pack...their films are certainly Hard R, and they are great filmmakers, but they've never struck me as Splat Packers.--CyberGhostface 02:32, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh, good catch, I didn't even think about that. But I don't think it does. I'm pretty sure I just converted it into its current from from an earlier version, but I think it should remain deleted. Plus, Tarantino's a "mentor," not a "member." Rockstar (^T/_C) 02:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Film Table

I have just added the table. I hope I've covered the majority of films, but if any are missing then feel free to add them as you please. — MovieJunkie ^Talk! 17:57, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Don't know if this counts as original research or not, but does a splat packer making a film automatically make that part of the movement? I mean, Dead Silence was hardly an ultra-violent film, even if the director/writers were from Saw...--CyberGhostface (talk) 15:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Original research

Like I said earlier, I think listing any film by someone who has been identified as a "Splat Packer" could be original research.

I mean, the biggest example is "Dead Silence". Is that a Splat Packer movie because it's directed by James Wan, even though it has minimal violence?

On a related note, and IMDB biography is hardly a reliable source.--CyberGhostface (talk) 18:39, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]