Talk:Splash Mountain/Archive 1

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Archive 1

unsigned, undated comment

This is an extremely short, dry article. Could someone please spruce it up and provide more detail? For instance, the Walt Disney World version (if no others) features a large bridge that crosses over the final portion of the ride, after the plume into the Briar Patch, that pedestrians can cross over or view riders from. Synchronized with every third or fourth car coming down the flume, a water cannon shoots spray into the air onto the bridge. In the summer, it's fairly common for people to congregate here, waiting for the cool spray as a bit of relief on a hot day. Another possibility is to go into a little bit of detail about why Song of the South was considered controversial.

Clunky writing

In particular, "anything that would be controversial like the film", "sort of like the animated segments", "very famous for a picture-taking ride".

In progress Ridesim (talk) 20:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Incident

Should we have a section on the incident where someone exited a ride log midway through the log and was subsequently struck by a log and fatally injured? Just a little googling turned up a cnn story among others -- Tawker 08:30, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Copied Material

Is it just me, or is most of this article about the same words found at http://members.tripod.com/four_kingdoms/splash_mountain.htm ? I think someone just copied it and pasted it to this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jimjones00000005 (talk • contribs) 16:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC) I have reverted that section, "Attraction walkthrough" back to the Revision as of 16:29, 1 February 2006; 70.124.144.21, section name "Story". —Centrx→talk • 22:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Infobox

Wow, the infobox from this article looks great, I wonder if it should become the template for the Disney rides infobox. --blm07 16:43, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Historical References

A good section to add to many attractions would be references to previous versions of the ride or area, or similar. For Splash Mountain (Disneyland), one is a quick pass by the bear's door, where snoring is heard. This is the same snoring from the previous bear cave at the same site in the old Bear Country, for a bear named Rufus. And both are actually the collected snorings of the Seven Dwarves from Snow White movie. Another example of an historical reference in an attraction: the phonograph near the end of Tarzan's Treehouse that plays Swisska Polka, the primary soundtrack from the previous Swiss Family Treehouse attraction.

Song of the South

Ironically enough, the majority of American guests that have ridden Splash Mountain have not had the opportunity to see Song of the South. It has never been released on home video in the US, probably due to stereotyping issues. Is the film never shown on television in the US? Here in the UK, Song of the South was available on VHS some years ago, but has never been released on DVD. It is often shown on TV, however - the most recent screening was on BBC Two in 2006. 217.155.20.163 01:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Trivia without Reference

In the Magic Kingdom ride, an opossum drops down out of the ceiling in the laughing place. He repeats the phrase "Go F.S.U." -- an homage to one of the lead imagineer's alma mater, Florida State University. 12.205.148.123 16:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC) I was told by multiple cast members that the opossum says L-S-U and that the lead imagineer's alma mater was Louisiana State University. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iroc24 (talk • contribs) 15:12, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

"First Person to Ride!"

IMDB has a separate listing for "Ernest Goes to Splash Mountain", and I wonder if that feature doesn't deserve more prominent note, as I remember it being a big boost toward the hype of the ride being released. I also remember hearing at the time that the first celebrity to "conquer the mountain" was actually Scott Valentine who portrayed "Nick" on the sitcom Family Ties. This I cannot substantiate, though a web search reveals that Valentine was indeed featured in the DIsney Holiday TV special the Christmas preceding the ride's grand opening, which also featured a "sneak peek" of the attraction, which adds a little credence to that sort of hilarious rumor.--Zommbi 11:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

"Flash" Mountain

Should there be something about the popular fad of women exposing their breasts on this ride to the cameras? --Darth Borehd (talk) 05:45, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Err, no. That is, of course, unless you can find some reputable sources to confirm this, then it could be considered. _TheIslander 12:11, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, there was a reference to this practice (with an external link to the website that features photos of the phenomenon), but it was deleted when someone took out the trivia section. Uncle Walt, anyone? In any case, I'm going to restore much of that section. Objections? --Patchyreynolds (talk) 14:15, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

No objections. Valerius Myotis (talk) 14:37, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes and no. Yes, by all means restore the information within the section, but no, definitely not as a 'trivia section'. Integrate it with the rest of the article - trivia sections are discouraged. _TheIslander 15:29, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

The Story Section

The story section is almost unclear and doesn't involve the disneyland story. It is only the wdw version. Should there be one section called the Walt Disney World Story and another called the Disneyland Story.--Baitt (talk) 05:19, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

That's a good idea, if you know both of the stories, that would be cool if you go ahead with this. --Linda (talk) 09:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok I'll start soon,--Baitt (talk) 02:27, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, they're pretty much the same story with slightly different scenes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.225.37.57 (talk) 03:58, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Number of Lifts

Aren't there technically 4 lifts? There is the first lift coming out of the station, a lift after going around the bend out front, and then the lift for the main drop. There is also the miniature lift post-drop before the steamboat scene. Does that lift not count? Kurt (talk) 17:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

It's really more of a metering device than a lift, in the truest sense of the word. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 17:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Are the Hidden Mickeys necessary?

We Disney fanatics know and love 'Hidden Mickeys' throughout the parks, but is it really necessary to list them in this article? I haven't removed them, but it feels a bit too tedious having a list while other Disney attractions' articles lack one. Does anybody agree... or am I just too paranoid in terms of article fluidity? --Disneyadventurernicholas (talk) 05:34, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Safety

Where's the data on the safety of this ride? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elena Roe Sette (talk • contribs) 03:26, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

What kind of data do you mean? Are you referring to incidents involving the ride, or the safety systems present on the ride? --McDoobAU93 (talk) 04:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

New Year's Eve

Is there any proof that Disneyland has the characters in hats on New Year's Eve? Or that the music changes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.79.175 (talk) 19:57, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

No way would I consider this a reliable source, but this website has some information about the hats at number 10. I can't find anything to support the music change though. Themeparkgc Talk 22:11, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Land

Splash Mountain is in Critter Country, not. Frontierland. New Orleans Square is in between them. Plus, it has Critter's in it. Hence it being in Critter Country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.77.101 (talk) 16:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

The Disneyland and Tokyo Disneyland versions are indeed in Critter Country, as the infoboxes correctly state. The infobox for the Magic Kingdom version is also correct, as the Florida park has neither a Critter Country nor a New Orleans Square, and thus the attraction was placed in the best fit (both for area and theme), Frontierland. --McDoob AU 93 17:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Images

Could someone find new images of Splash Mountain in all three parks. At Walt disney World with the new logs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.23.168.217 (talk) 16:16, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I've found images of Splash Mountain at Magic Kingdom and Tokyo Disneyland as well as images of the logs at Disneyland and Magic Kingdom (not sure if they are "new" though). Themeparkgc Talk 07:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

You are right they are not of the new logs, see if you can find any available images of the new logs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.130.187.220 (talk) 19:14, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Refurbishments

Per consensus and per WP:NOTNEWS, routine refurbishment periods of any length (days to months) are not listed in Wikipedia articles. Only significant changes, such as reprofiling or other major changes to ride (see Texas Giant), or SBNO status (see Son of Beast) based on reliable sources should be included. A lengthier than normal repair period to fix broken animatronics doesn't really count. Opinions? --McDoob AU93 01:38, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

The following is a reliable source directly from the company [1], however it isn't a major maintenance, simply routine seasonal maintenance. I would agree with McDoobAU93 to leave it as open on the website since we're NOTNEWS. Tiggerjay (talk) 02:27, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

It's not routine though. The source cited, which cites an announcement from Disney, says that routine refurbishments happen every January for 3 weeks max, this one is planned to last 3 months. That doesn't sound routine to me. CRRays Head90 | ^{Get Some!} 02:28, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Btw, Tigger, your link is about 'Disneyland not Disney World or more specifically Magic Kingdom, which is the version of the ride in question. CRRays Head90 | ^{Get Some!} 03:11, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

That would make it your interpretation that it "doesn't sound routine". With all due respect, because it doesn't sound routine to you doesn't make it Wikipedia material. Probably the best example of when we would include a major refurbishment would be the overhaul at Test Track. Do the changes at Splash Mountain match up to that? --McDoob AU93 03:25, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't call that OR, since it's the source that speculates that. However point seen and given. I'll keep an eye out and if anything comes of note I'll add it. But I do want to say this: test Track is almost a completely different ride now. Barely anything remains of the original ride, so that does constitute a major refurbishment. But why does it need to be to that extent to get noticed by WP? Aren't we here to encyclopedic-ly tell history of people and things? Changes to rides, however minor, seem pretty encyclopedic to me. Oh and one last thing, I disagree that it shouldn't be noted in the infobox regardless of the noting in the body of the article, no matter how little the refurbishment is, whether its routine or not, it's still not operating and it's still getting refurbished and it's a lie to the readers to say it's operating when it's not. CRRays Head90 | ^{Get Some!} 05:05, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

But we don't know if anything is changing. Are things being repaired? Most likely, but that's not notable ... heck, that should be expected. If a scene changes (for example, if the finale riverboat scene were removed completely and replaced), that would indeed be something notable. The key is that such information comes from reliable sources, not fan-sites.

As to the physical status of the ride on any given day, that's outside of an encyclopedia's purview. That might be good for Wikitravel or Wikivoyage, and is excellent for the park's own website, but not for an encyclopedia. If people are coming here looking for the status of a given ride, frankly they're doing it wrong. What if a ride closes unexpectedly for a mechanical failure ... are we expected to revise the article to say the ride is closed and then re-edit it when it re-opens? The point of that field in the infobox is to indicate the ride's overall status. Part of that was established by RCDB, one of the reliable sources used for roller coasters. A ride is considered operational even during off-season periods (for example, Goliath at my home park, Six Flags Over Georgia won't open for the season for another six weeks, but it's still listed as operating) and refurbishment periods, planned or otherwise. --McDoob AU93 05:24, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't get that though, why lie to the readers and say it's operating when it's not? I mean I get it when it's unexpected maintenance. And it's stupid to update it when the ride closes for the night. But for scheduled maintenance that lasts longer than a two weeks, the article should reflect that because it's the fact. If we say it's operating when it's not, that doesn't make the information as reliable as it can be from an encyclopedic POV. It's a bold face lie that is endorsed by a WikiProject. Even if it's a seasonal closing, like you mentioned for Goliath, it's still not operating, it's another example of an endorsed lie. You mentioned that the section is the overall status of the ride, how do the readers know that from the infobox? It just says "status", that implies waht the ride is doing right now. You forget we write for the readers, not the editors. CRRays Head90 | ^{Get Some!} 02:41, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Haven't forgotten it at all. We do write for the readers. And readers who want up-to-the-minute status updates on the attraction have many more sources that are much more preferable and much more reliable than Wikipedia. The parks' Facebook pages, Twitter feeds, their individual websites, etc. Deviating from the established standard would open Pandora's box to editors who would change it continually, with no sourcing whatsoever. In the era of smartphones, I wouldn't rule out someone in the line for the ride itself, a cast member comes over the PA system and says the ride is temporarily delayed, and they use their smartphone to change the ride's status. If you would like to change how the infobox works, I would heartily suggest going to the appropriate template talk page or to the WikiProject talk page and request comments on your thoughts. --McDoob AU93 05:18, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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Redoing

Disney announced today that the ride will be reimagined to be about the "princess and the frog" movie they made. This will greatly change the attraction, and henecforth, the article. Should a new article be created, or the article chamged tor reflect this? Heyoostorm (talk) 18:24, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps. Some rides that have been redone have had new articles made but others haven't. For example, Jurassic World: The Ride has a different article than the attraction it replaced Jurassic Park: The Ride, but the article for California Screamin' was simply renamed as Incredicoaster. There doesn't seem to be a hard and fast rule; it seems to be done by local consensus. In any case, the ride retheming looks to be a long way out and there so far isn't any significant coverage of the retheming outside of what Disney has reported in their press releases, so we probably have to wait until more details come out. Aoi (青い) (talk) 19:16, 25 June 2020 (UTC)