Talk:Spider (musician)

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A fact from Spider (musician) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 May 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Spider began making alternative music because she felt that not enough Black women were doing so?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Spider (musician).

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:55, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the Irish musician Spider began making alternative music on the grounds that not enough Black women were doing so? Source: https://readdork.com/features/spider-interview-jul23/
- ALT1: ... that Spider travelled from Tallaght in Ireland to London aged eighteen? Source: https://www.thelineofbestfit.com/new-music/discovery/spider-u-get-high-i-get-nothing
- ALT2: ... that the music video treatment for Spider's "America's Next Top Model" was nineteen pages long? Source: https://www.nme.com/features/music-interviews/spider-interview-hell-or-high-water-ep-radar-3431579
- ALT3: ... that Spider went viral on TikTok for a track partly inspired by an androgynous Nigerian deity? Source: https://theface.com/music/new-rising-musicians-2022-ones-to-watch-list
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Classy 101

Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 222 past nominations.

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Laun chba ller 19:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Interesting bio on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. I like the original hook and approve that one. It clearly says that Spider is a Black woman musician, which I miss in all ALTS, and actually also in the lead of the article; I think that her Nigerian background should be mentioned there. My English is not good enough to tell a difference between "on the grounds" and a simple "because", but I know that the former phrase appears in the article in two sentences in a row, which I believe should be avoided. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:51, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Both done.--Laun chba ller 17:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Launchballer, it seems to me that the article is incorrect in attributing her resumption of production during COVID to feeling there were not enough Black women in the industry; the source says that she had this feeling in school, before moving to London. This goes for other sources like this one as well, where her "[disappointment at] the seeming lack of diversity" is described as being around 2016.

~~Gerda Arendt, considering the problem with ALT0, are any of the other hooks approved?~~ ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, scratch some of that, the hook doesn't have a problem because it doesn't state a date and can probably rely on the lengthy quote for WP:DYKCITE (although that seems fairly lengthy from a copyright perspective), so no need for the alt hooks to be considered. Sorry for the ping Gerda. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken a bit out of the quote, though I'm now wondering if I've taken out necessary context. I'm a bit confused by your two-part post - what else do I need to do?--Laun chba ller 06:15, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the confusion Launchballer; I felt that in the "Career" section, "feeling that that there were not enough Black women making alternative music is incorrectly placed—the cited sources are clear that she had this thought long before COVID. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:19, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've solved this.--Laun chba ller 01:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]