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Rename in capitals

Hi.

this title should be written in capitals. Special Forces. How do I change it?

Cheers. --Ex-oneatf (talk) 04:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No it shouldn't as this is a generic term: please see the 'Article titles' section of the Wikipedia Manual of Style and the relevant section of the article nameing conventions. You can rename articles by moving them, but please don't do so here. Nick Dowling (talk) 04:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Capilatised as per Gov site; http://www.defence.gov.au/army/traditions/sf.htm --Ex-oneatf (talk) 07:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's the heading of the webpage - the Army's website style conventions differ to Wikipedia's. Nick Dowling (talk) 08:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong list or title

Hello,

Australia only has two Special Forces units the SASR and both commando regiments. The Air Force and Navy don't have Special Operations Forces yet alone Special Forces, No.4 Squadron JTACs are not special forces or special operations force, sae a clearence divers. They are attached the JSOC because the other groups such as the Special Operations Engineers and all the other units that have Special Operations in their title are not Special Forces but Special Operation Forces. Are in the group becuase they conducted special operations. Australia has a number of Special Operations Forces, all of which are found in the Army and no other forces. As I said Australia has only two special forces units the SAS and Commandos. Any other unit is either a Special Operations force of just a normal force.

The difference between the two is that any unit can be designated as a Special Opertions Force as long as they conduct special operations, but only a handful of units can be given the prestegious title of a Special Forces unit. These units have to be of a much higher calibre than normal or SOF units, thei personell, equipment, tactics and roles are strictly of a very high level compared to any other units.

Regards,

MilitaryHistoryGuru — Preceding unsigned comment added by Militaryhistoryguru (talk • contribs) 00:10, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To me your concern seems to be one of unnecessary precision. As I have already stated the article doesn't say they are special forces, it simply calls them "support units" without the unnecessary SO v SF jargon. Of cse there is a technical distinction but it seems out of place here as I'd say the term "special forces" (in the article title) is being used fairly loosely. Nonetheless the article clearly covers both stating: " the Australian military has raised a range of special forces and special operations units..." I didn't add these units to the article (I merely referenced them), but I can see some value in their continued inclusion given that most are part of Special Operations Command (i.e. SOER and SOLS) while the others work with / have elements attached to it on a regular basis (for instance 171 Avn Sqn) (disregarding of cse those that are long since disbanded). As such I imagine many of our readers would expect to see links to these articles here. Of cse if others disagree and a consensus develops for using the term "Special Operations support units" then I'll accept this change but until then I disagree for the reasons outlined above. Anotherclown (talk) 10:32, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Happy with your change here [1] re the support units, make sense to me. It seems and appropriate way to make the distinction without going into too much unnecessary detail. Anotherclown (talk) 00:47, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]