Talk:Space Ghost/Archive 1

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Can anyone out there name/recomend an earlier cartoon show with the same sort of self-reflexivity and irony as that of the Space Ghost Coast to Coast? In other words, a cartoon show that is self-aware of itself as a cartoon and sort of parodies itself. Thanks.

• • Several Warner Bros. cartoons had a level of self-awareness well into the black and white days. They're not really the same sort of shows. though some of them reflect a similar concept (albeit through the eyes of a different generation).
  • Aqua Teen Hunger Force does this as well, as do many other shows on the [adult swim] block. SGC2C is special, though, because it is really the only show i've ever seen that does this on a regular basis.

I don't think SG:C2C really finds its spiritual ancestors in TV though... it strikes me as having more similarity to some of the absurdist super hero comic books DC did in the mid-80's to early 90's (like Ambush Bug)

• • Well of course. But of course you have to remember that the characters all come from the 60's SG show, so its roots are definitely in TV. But the superhero thing is from comic books and other things of the sort. Pretty much all of the superheroes on TV right now were originally in comic book form.

Though not a cartoon, would The Young Ones count? it's also interesting in that it's actually funny and watchable... unlike 'coast to coast' or any of that other tommy tank "adult swim" (what kind of a name is that anyway? this spongebob shit has got to stop) shite. 82.153.230.130 (talk) 13:16, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Frankenstein Jr.

There was another Space Ghost show that has not been included here. I'm not sure of the title, but the half hour block was split between cartoons featuring Space Ghost and others that carried the title "Frankenstein, Jr.". The latter was about a small boy and his friend/pet who was a giant flying robot named Frankenstein, Jr. The two cartoons did not interact with each other, much like the Space Ghost and Dino Boy program. Original airdates would have been late 60s to mid 70s, originally on Saturday mornings and later in afternoon weekday syndication. Gary Owens provided announcer duties, crying "Spaaace Ghooost....and Fraaankenstein Juniooooor!", followed occasionally by a brief description of each concept. The rest of the block consisted of two cartoons of each character set in a random order. I have no doubt that the Space Ghost segments were from previous broadcast packages (i.e., no new episodes), but this was clearly not either Space Ghost and Dino Boy or Space Stars. Canonblack 21:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

The Frankenstein, Jr series originally appeared with the Impossibles in 1966-1968. It was bundled with the old Space Ghost episodes as Space Ghost and Frankenstein, Jr. on NBC in 1976.--BruceGrubb (talk) 10:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Thaddeus

There's mention in the article about 'citation needed' on Space Ghost's name being Thaddeus Ghostal. At snard.com they keep all the episode transcripts for SGC2C, and in episode 51 Space Ghost's grandpa (Grandpa Ghostal) calls him Thaddeus.

Here's a url to the transcript: http://snard.com/sg/guide/?ep=51&fmt=0

(I do not know how to edit pages; well, I do, but I don't know how to edit pages without getting in trouble.) JimmmyThePiep 01:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

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Lance Falk's unproduced 90s serious revival

Found this while researching my next FAC (The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest). If someone would like to put it on the article:

Link

In case the link goes down:

Tuesday, June 2, 1998

Hi Chip,

Your info is 100% correct. I have written a small story synopsis and business propositon for a direct-to-video Space Ghost Movie.

I turned it in to the bosses a few months ago. There's been no word yet, but I'm hopeful. It's a series pilot/origin story with sequences both before and after the classic series and I've tossed in The Herculoids to boot. It's a real labor of love.

My good friend Steve Rude did some gorgeous artwork for it. Steve drew the beautiful Space Ghost Graphic Novel back in the 80's. (for Comico) He's the man when it comes to drawing the character now that Alex Toth has retired.

Next to Jonny Quest, Space Ghost is the HB show I'd most like to do. I see it as a cross between Batman and Star Wars and I have a whole 65 episode story arc roughly worked out. (Sorry, I can't send it)

I love the show, but I want to elevate the story level to Jonny Quest's.

I'll check out your page when I get a little time. Thanks for writing.

Lancelot

Here is one of the pictures that Steve Rude drew for the new series.

Story behind this picture.

I contacted James Stenstrum who was offering this picture on ebay. I asked him the following questions: Did you purchase this from Mr. Rude personally or are you a personal friend of his?

I am asking because you said this presentation was made to hopefully get Space Ghost back on TV and I am curious to find out what the response was.

Response

Chip,

While I know Steve, I purchased this from a friend of his. (Possibly Lance Falk??) He (the friend) told me the response was overwhelmingly positive to the whole notion of a new Space Ghost Series, but at the time, Cartoon Network was having great success with their Space Ghost: Coast to Coast series and had decided not to go any further with new series development at that time (late 1990's). Since then, squabbles between Hanna-Barbera and the Cartoon Network have made almost impossible any new incarnations of old Hanna-Barbera Shows. Only lately has there been any cooperation between the two entities, and perhaps down the line the original Space Ghost series can be brought back to life. Hope that answers your questions.

Jim

Zeality 20:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Can we improve this article?

I know virtually nothing about Space Ghost, so was hoping to find more information. Can someone rewrite this article so it is actually informative? Can we talk more about who the characters in the show were? What were Space Ghost's powers and equipment (where did he get them, is that ever discussed?)? The spaceship? What about the setting? What would happen in a typical episode? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.215.231.138 (talk) 15:34, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I know this is a year old, but there was more detail about abilities and such. There seems to be a large purge of information in April 2008. Anyone have a reason why 74.174.151.253 took out a lot of information? MJ56003 (talk) 03:23, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

There was a lot of fluff in the post 74.174.151.253 trimmed that really didn't belong in the article. Also the implication with the cartoons was that they took place in the future (see "The Heat Thing" and "Homing Device" for examples) an idea expressly stated in in the 2005 DC Graphic Novel which would make everything related in the Space Ghost Coast to Coast show suspect.--BruceGrubb (talk) 11:18, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Rogues Gallery

The debate regarding sections in articles of characters for supporting cast or reoccurring enemies under comic books and cartoons has been brought up on several occasions and it was decided by consensus while it's preferred to bring up these characters in the larger article or (should the list be large enough) its own article, consensus became to allow these lists as they do no real harm and they continually crop up and its simpler to just let them be. Alucardbarnivous (talk) 03:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

The difference here is that Space Ghost is mainly a television character who was later adapted into comics. This article is specifically about the character of Space Ghost, and the information you insist on including is merely a listing of characters featured in the "Council of Doom" episodes in the first Space Ghost series. It falls under fancruft and OR. The information that you insist on keeping in this article would be better suited at Space Ghost (TV series). yonnie (talk) 22:16, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

As I said, comic books AND cartoons. Space Ghost was a cartoon. Further, Space Spectre, Wizard, and Toymaker were additions after the initial series. I see you added a vandalism charge to my archive page. If this is how you want to go, I have no choice but to bring this to Dispute Resolution. Alucardbarnivous (talk) 02:33, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

As per the discussion on dispute resolution, we're putting out a request to the media Wikipedia community to weigh in on this debate. Essentially, we're going back to a previously discussed debate on the inclusion of lists on Wikipedia for the villains of super-heroes. Previously, the consensus was to retain these lists under the idea that largely do no harm to their inclusion and that these lists tend to be supported by many members. yonnie contends these lists inclusion is "fancruft and OR" and refused to be involved in the debate on the Dispute Resolution Board. The users on the board didn't feel comfortable in participating in the decision of this debate if only one party was involved and it was decided to request other users input on the talk page. Alucardbarnivous (talk) 18:35, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

• It would be a good thing if we had consensus, but we do not. The actual result depends in each case on the relative persistence of the individuals involved on the various possible sides--and, I regret to say, sometimes on who it is that judges the result. Here's my preferred position:

Any major character is a famous fictional work should get a separate article, length depending on importance of work, importance of character, and amount of available material. Any significant character in any notable fiction should get a one or two paragraph description. Any non-trivial character in a notable work should at least have a single line description in a list, and a redirect to it. It doesn't matter how many characters there are--the more complicated the story, the more need to explain it fully and properly. for complex groups of works with repeating characters, full coverage of characters is particularly important, because it avoids repetition and provides for a connected view. We're here to provide encyclopedic information--and if the main work is worth covering in the first place, people are likely to want some degree of detail. Why else would you use an encyclopedia in the first place, if you didn't want detailed coverage? Wether they are arranged in separate articles or not is almost irrelevant--except for one problem: if they're not separate articles, they tend to diminish to single items in a list. A list of names is not encyclopedic content: a description is. As for sources, the work itself is the source, though outside sources should be added if available. I do not consider it a question of the notability of the characters, but just the arrangement of material. DGG ( talk ) 20:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, makes sense to me. This is what was originally presented as its own section:

• Council of Doom

A union of Space Ghost's worst enemies joined together to eradicate their mutual foe introduced together in a six-part arc at the end of the character's first animated series.

• Zorak - Appearing as a giant preying mantis, Zorak is one of Space Ghost's most frequent enemies.
• Brak - Belonging to a race of feline humanoids, Brak is a pirate joined occasionally by his twin brother Sisto.
• Moltar - Commander of a legion of molten monsters and one of Space Ghost most frequent foes.
• Metallus - Master of an army of robots and starships.
• Creature King - Employing illusions, Creature King's nightmare beams cause people to see large monsters. In the Batman: The Brave and the Bold episode "Bold Beginnings!", Creature King enslaved a planet of monstrous beasts.
• Spider Woman - aka the Black Widow. A queen of spider-like creatures, Spider Woman has frequently battled Space Ghost.

• Tansit - A spacebound highwayman, Tansit rides a chariot through space and can fire laser blasts.
• Lokar - King of the Killer Locusts, Lokar has his minions destroy space-faring vessels.
• Space Spectre - An evil alternate version of Space Ghost, Space Spectre is a dangerous and renowned pirate in his native universe.
• The Wizard - A technological genius that employs devices such as one that casts illusions and another that alters people's emotions.
• The Toymaker - Robot developer that would build an army of Space Ghost duplicates and once shrank the planet Cetia 3.

Thoughts? Alucardbarnivous (talk) 06:07, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

That is all true, except that this is the article for the character of Space Ghost, not the series of which he is the titular character. This list would only be appropriate in that article. yonnie (talk) 18:53, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I see you started a dispute resolution that was never actually resolved. You just went with your way anyways. First of all, this information would be better suited at the article for Space Ghost (TV series) and Space Stars (which the last 3 villains appeared). With it being in this article, there is no context, and no relevance to the actual character of Space Ghost. It is also heavily Wikipedia:Fancruft (as in it will not provide needed information to casual readers who may be unfamiliar with the series) and Wikipedia:OR (because there are no references and is clearly built from information derived from watching the actual show). It would be like listing every one of Superman's foes, at the Superman article. My suggestion? Create a List of Space Ghost characters page, where this information can be listed.yonnie (talk) 17:06, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Agree - this whole section by Alucardbarnivous is OR/Fancruft. I guess I've overlooked this thread when I've been on Wiki, but I would have reverted this stuff too. I also agree with the suggestion that if this content is so important to the User, he should create a new page with it. It would only amount to a stub with the current content, but it would be a start. Ckruschke (talk) 18:18, 24 April 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke