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Biased content

This article suffers from some challenges. I may be wrong, though it's quite possible that this article has been infiltrated by ethno-nationalist schools of thought, particularly from Poland and Finland, seeking to portray the Soviet partisans as bad guys. The sections on Poland, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania are about as long, if not longer, than the sections covering the Republic of Russia and certain people who edited this article have sought reduce its scope to a rap sheet of alleged crimes committed by partisans. The article gives the impression that the Soviet partisan movement was as prevalent in Poland and Finland as in Russia. Leonid Grenkevich on p.234 of his book summarizes: "...partisan fighting affected many regions but was particularly prevalent in German occupied Belorussia, the Leningrad, Kalinin, Smolensk and Orel Districts of the Russian Republic, and in the Ukraine. This partisan warfare on so vast a scale was unprecedented in Russian history." So, if the Soviet partisan movement was most prevalent in the Belarus, Ukraine, and the Leningrad, Kalinin, Smolensk and Orel provinces of Russia then I feel that the article should primarily concentrate on those regions. But this article concentrates extraordinarily heavily on Poland, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania - is it because this article has been infiltrated by ethno-nationalist interests from and sympathetic to those countries? Soviet partisans also served in Yugoslavia, and even in Italy but curiously this article doesn't have devote a single word to that fact. The article is in need of fundamental revisionsLegitmateProfit (talk) 01:52, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well they certainly were not good guys if that's what you're asking. They were hostile towards Polish, Finnish, etc. forces. -69.121.9.199 (talk) 20:53, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You mean, the polish nazi police and the finnish collaborators? 142.54.9.83 (talk) 18:15, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

While some content may be missing, the bulk of revisions should focus on removing Soviet/Russian unreliable propaganda sources, and verifying the facts with independent Western scholarly work. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:19, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article isn't protected -- if you feel some things are missing, then add them in. sam1370 (talk) 21:59, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RfPP refactor and 1RR notice

Fully protected for a period of 10 days, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. Converted Ed's 12-hour semi, which I don't think would have done it. Negative, VM, GCB — this looks like a bogus WP:APL ECP request. To my knowledge, there is no "related content" clause as an arbitration remedy for it like there is in WP:ARBPIA4. Polish stuff is just one among many countries covered by that page. And even as a "related content" this request fails. The contested edit isn't about Poland, it's about Belarus.So, please take care not to repeat such requests here, more as a matter of principle than anything, as I don't think any admin would have granted this request — AE shy ones would have stayed away, AE experienced ones would have seen it my way. Will refactor this message on the article talk page, as this place gets archived in a flash. Will also 1RR it up. El_C 11:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, the contested edit isn't related to Polonization in Belarus and vice versa, per se., like some legit APL-covered Belarusian edits we've (all three of us + others) been examining a couple of months ago elsewhere. El_C 12:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, maybe it was Ukrainian...? I forget now, but regardless, same thing. El_C 14:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El_C. You're mistaken here. That particular part of Europe in 1942 was pre-war, pre-1939, occupied Poland, not Belarus. See Occupation of Poland. That’s why the request. - GizzyCatBella🍁 14:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This map illustrates it well --> [1] - GizzyCatBella🍁 14:31, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El_C but 10 day protection is okay - GizzyCatBella🍁 14:36, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Ugh, hate when edit conflicts make me lose everything. Forced to reconstruct more tersely (lazy). I'm sorry, GCB, but "related content" ≠ "related articles." But beyond whatever arcane APL rules are being invoked, I just don't think this particular dispute calls for an indef ECP at this time. Call it my discretion. El_C 14:42, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El_C - That's totally fine. That area of the pre-war Polish state called Kresy is complicated to grasp unless you dig into it. - GizzyCatBella🍁 02:28, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with User:El C that it is a stretch to say that Soviet partisans falls under WP:APL. Even so, I still believe in the virtues of my two-month (not 12-hour) semiprotection that I had applied previously per the 3RR complaint. The three IPs who had edited recently were obviously run by the same person, so it was a case of sockuppetry. We should be able to respond to conventional socking in a proportionate manner, under regular admin authority. Though ECP might be called on if necessary, I don't perceive that it's yet necessary. EdJohnston (talk) 01:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

EdJohnston, El_C Just passing by to note the existence of the Soviet partisans in Poland article... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:31, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh! Sorry, Ed. Obviously, I can't read. I've restored your original semiprotection with profuse apologies and shame.

Thanks, but it looks I already had it watchlisted, Piotr. El_C 03:52, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Ukrainian partisans" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Ukrainian partisans and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 16 § Ukrainian partisans until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. CJ-Moki (talk) 02:41, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Ukrainian resistance during World War II" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Ukrainian resistance during World War II and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 16 § Ukrainian resistance during World War II until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. CJ-Moki (talk) 02:41, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]