Talk:Soviet imagery during the Russo-Ukrainian War

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✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 07:05, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Soviet ≠ communist

Rennespzn, you deleted a lot of sourced and relevant content, in the mistaken belief that it's somehow a "defense of communism". But you've got it the wrong way round. According to the sources in the article (like this), the Russian troops used Soviet imagery for two main reasons:

it stands for Russian domination of Ukraine (in their minds)
it portrays the invasion as a continuation of the 'Great Patriotic War', this time against 'Nazi Ukraine'

Some Western communists/socialists actually believe this propaganda that Russian separatists are left-wing fighters against Ukrainian 'Nazis'. The stuff you deleted showed that the Russians aren't actually left-wing or communists. It showed that many of them are actually right-wing or fascists just using Soviet imagery. Deleting it only leaves people with the impression that they might actually be communists rather than fascists. – Asarlaí ^(talk) 13:58, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is not Wikipedia's job to explain this. Furthermore, it is still an opinion of Western pundits, nothing more and nothing less. I've always found it strange when Westerners try to put other countries' ideologies on their left-right political spectrum. What you are saying may be the case if the Soviet Union was 'left-wing'. However, by modern standards it wasn't as they russiphied and assimilated minorities, persecuted gays, and did not allow any religious freedom. Modern Russia is a complicated case, I have an opinion about it, but it's irrelevant, and that article is not about opinions, it is a timeline of Russia's use of Soviet imagery, symbolism and toponyms in Ukraine for whatever reasons, be it some of their factions being true 'Soviet patriots', brainwashing the Russians to believe they are fighting the Nazis again, or to impress the left-wing groups in the West, it simply does not matter. Rennespzn (talk) 15:01, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And, interestingly, Cuban, Venezuelan, North Korean and (tacit) Chinese support for Russia reinforces the notion that oversimplifying the conflict as 'fascism masqueraded as communism vs democracy accused of fascism by fascists masqueraded as communists' is short-sighted. In the end, when the two sides accuse each other of being fascists/nazis, the true meaning of these words is lost. Rennespzn (talk) 15:06, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Contradicting sources

In the section about 'Babushka Z', it says:

"Anna told the Ukrayinska Pravda that she met the soldiers with a Soviet flag not out of sympathy, but because she felt the need to reconcile with them so that they would not "destroy" the village and Ukraine after her house was shelled, but now feels like a "traitor" due to the way her image has been used by Russia."

but in this BBC interview, she says:

(holding the USSR flag) "this is a flag of peace and love, and let no one think that this is a flag of bloodshed."

"I was just happy that Russians would come and not fight with us. I was happy that we would unite again. Russia, Ukraine and Belarus."

This contradicts the statement that "she felt the need to reconcile with them so they would not destroy the village and ukraine".

Also she doesn't say that "she feels like a traitor", but that:

"Because now in Ukraine they consider me a traitor"

Is the Ukrayinska Pravda a reliable source? IMO the BBC is more impartial here and should be preferred.

(also see Talk:Nostalgia for the Soviet Union#Contradicting sources)

RedAuburn (talk) 03:27, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]