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It's my hope that this article will survive the process of being slowly expanded, at least enough to provide some good information. I'm surprised no article exists treating this conference. It's existed for years, and I'm told it's the largest of its kind in the world. It inspired the name and setting of a major, award-winning documentary by HBO. It's notable by anybody's standards. Hypodermia (talk) 16:19, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ideal Stub

I don't necessarily have all the information, by the way, to produce a page which is ideal enough to not immediately qualify for deletion (apparently), but I'd like to germinate enough of a page for people to fill in information, if they have it. So I'm trying to follow the information from Wikipedia:Stub. Hypodermia (talk) 17:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia refuses to allow links

I have been trying to edit this stub, but Wikipedia hasn't made it easy. You can't add links to Yahoo Groups, YouTube, Blogger, Facebook, etc. if they're "self advertising." Though I've seen other entries with those same links. I am the moderator of the Southern Comfort Conference Yahoo Group, a staff member of the conference and a long-time attendee. I was hoping to expand the entry to make it more relevant; maybe we need to get other people working on this? DivaMissZ (talk) 11:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that none of those are reliable sources. We need some evidence of notability via coverage in the press, books, etc. Generally, the only time you will see a link to a blog or other "social media" site is if that is a subject's own official primary official site. (And yes, as a staff member, etc., you have a definite conflict of interest and should not have edited this article when someone else created it.) --Orange Mike | Talk 15:17, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Has it not been covered by The Advocate, the Washington Blade, etc.? Those are the kinds of solid references we need; not links to Yahoo! groups, blogs, Facebook, etc. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:26, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DivaMissZ, you need to put in references from respected newspapers. Google news archive turns up quite a few. Reference a few of those and it will start to look like a Wikipedia article. SpinningSpark 17:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

some reliable references...

...are found here. Drmies (talk) 21:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are four newspaper articles from not notable sources. These are also primary sources. What made you use the word 'reliable'? Skrewler (talk) 22:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A "primary source" would be the subject's own website, publications, etc. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:04, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why wouldn't the Atlanta Southern Voice be a notable source? Other than it's a GLBT-oriented newspaper, perhaps? --DivaMissZ (talk) 00:59, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unless the same info is used in other publications it's not reliable, and even that's a stretch. Check out WP:V Skrewler (talk) 06:31, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#News_organizations Skrewler (talk) 06:33, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

? Sovo.com is the website for Southern Voice, a perfectly fine reliable source for news coverage in that field. It's the local counterpart to the Washington Blade and the like. My only quibble is that some of these four articles are not primarily about the conference; but there's at least one good solid one there, and links to further coverage can be found on the Voice website. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:03, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Skrewler, I don't understand the issue. If you think Southern Voice is not a reliable source, you need to have a look at Southern Voice, and at the main website. Pointing at WP:V is useless here, and the requirement that information be published in another publication as well is ludicrous: are you requiring that every source be doubled, so to speak? Drmies (talk) 23:51, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One article in a non-mainstream news publication isn't a reliable source, but if this conference was also covered by many different publications then we could argue that this info is verifiable. Anyways, find some sources or whatever, I'm going to AfD this in a couple days and we can go from there. Skrewler (talk) 00:31, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I'll see you there. Check your policies on the way--a reliable source is a reliable source, such a publication like The New York Times or Southern Voice, not a plurality of publications. Your first sentence doesn't make any sense. Drmies (talk) 00:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]