Talk:Sound of Contact

Specification of Membership Period

As the band has existed for multiple years now, there may some major confusion in regards to which members were a part of the band in any particular year. Without clarification, readers may assume a touring musician such as Jonathan Schang or John Wesley are still a part of the band's touring lineup. Dates beside each band member's name is standard for band articles and I don't see why they would not be appropriate here. Vuzor (talk) 16:09, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

A band with a lot of history behind it (such as The Rolling Stones) should have dates. A band like Sound of Contact has done so little and is still so new that dates would be an unnecessary distraction in such a limited article. "Past touring members" and "Present touring members" is appropriate here. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 20:02, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

That's a good suggestion. I'll split the "Touring members" list into two subsections; feel free to alter it if it doesn't look right. Thanks. Vuzor (talk) 08:52, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Using Video Interviews as Sources

As published, written interviews are accepted as sources in regards to biographical articles, one might wonder whether video interviews would also be considered accepted sources for such articles as this. In the past, editors have expressed copyright issues being a reason not to use YouTube videos and I certainly understand this and agree fully due to the questionable nature of many sources. Video interviews, however, may not fall under the same circumstances.

Wikipedia:Video links states:

"There is no blanket ban on linking to user-submitted video sites through external links or when citing sources. However, such links must abide by various policies and guidelines. Links should be carefully and individually evaluated for inclusion.

Linking to such sites is often discouraged due to misuse. You may not link to any copyright violation, such as a music video or television show that has been uploaded illegally, on any page or for any purpose. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Linking to online videos can be acceptable if it is demonstrated that the content was posted by the copyright holder or with their permission. Videos of newscasts, television shows, films, music videos, advertisements, etc. should be considered to be copyright violations if not obviously uploaded by the copyright holder. Editors must not link to copyright violations.

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Self-published videos may be used as sources of information about their creator if they meet the requirements seen at restrictions on using self-published sources. The community sometimes accepts videos from the official YouTube channels of subjects, but this is not a guarantee of approval with content being unduly self-serving being just one concern."

Wikipedia:Verifiability, meanwhile, states:

"Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities, without the self-published source requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as:

   the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim;
   it does not involve claims about third parties;
   it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the source;
   there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity;
   the article is not based primarily on such sources.

This policy also applies to pages on social networking websites such as Twitter, Tumblr, and Facebook."

The criteria listed above suggests video interviews are appropriate to use. For the purpose of expanding this article and its related articles with information not available in printed form, I would like to cite various video interviews. Before beginning with this, however, I would like to check with others to be sure this is fine. Thanks. Your help is much appreciated. Vuzor (talk) 07:37, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

YouTube isn't used for inclusion in articles because of copyright violations, period. I see no valid reason as to how a copyrighted video interview would enhance what's supposed to be encyclopedic content in this article. I can see how it would promote the band. And that's just not what Wikipedia articles are for. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 19:54, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Interviews, no matter which medium they are available in, reveal valuable information; an interview in print form is no different from an interview in video form. The interviewees answer questions about themselves, and that information can often be considered encyclopedic content. For example, in one such interview, Simon Collins describes the basis for the development of the band's material: Dave Kerzner composed a plethora of material for over a decade before collaborating with Collins, primarily as a means of pursuing his own solo material ideas. These ideas took various forms. Collins then worked with Kerzner to refine the material for Dimensionaut. The two expand on the band's development quite extensively. Wikipedia's policies state videos can be used if they meet the right conditions. As stated in Wikipedia:Video links, copyright issues aren't as much of a concern if the video was uploaded to YouTube by the copyright holder -- and these interviews certainly are.

Now, without citing this particular video, we can assume that information would never be published as it is unavailable in other interviews. There is important information pertaining to the article subject found in these video interviews. I don't understand why we must ignore it simply because it's captured on video instead of transcribed for reading purposes. Vuzor (talk) 05:28, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Photo

It would be nice to have a photo of the band as they are currently to put in the infobox. Possibly a photo from their most recent concert or appearance? It would have to have free licensing to avoid copyright issues, of course. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 02:00, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I've tried asking around on Facebook (concert attendees) to see if anyone would want to upload to Wikipedia. There are a lot of nice photographs available, and I have considered also emailing a professional photographer about permitting the use of his photo here. I think it's only a matter of time before someone helps us out with this. If you agree, maybe we could look for a concert photo for the Dimensionaut page too. Btw, seeing this request makes me quite happy. When others care and want to contribute too, it becomes a fun collaborative effort. We both appear interested in making these articles the best that they can be, but I really believe what is needed right now is expansion, not subtraction or censorship. There aren't too many other people willing to work on these articles right now, so we need to work together if we want to keep these articles updated. That said, I've left some very sincere comments on Talk:Dimensionaut about some things. I hope you can accept my words in good faith.Vuzor (talk) 07:34, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Status of Kelly Nordstrom

There is no source stating that Kelly Nordstrom has ever left the band. He was originally mentioned as a band member, then in more recent publications he is defined as a "studio collaborator" when he did not participate with Sound of Contact on tour. As he is a critical part of the band's history and his status is labeled as "studio collaborator" currently (a fairly recent title), a sentence has been added to define him as not a current member of the band (to remain consistent with the change of status) but as a current studio-collaborator (a fairly significant role with the band with a lot of flexibility. He does not have the duties of a full-time member but can write and record with them at any time between other projects). Nordstrom's biography states he has been a long-time collaborator with Simon Collins, so they have quite an established relationship as collaborators: "A long standing working relationship with Simon Collins has provided Kelly with experience in big budget recording and performance productions including having been Project Manager of several showcase tours." (see: [1]). Vuzor (talk) 05:26, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

He's not listed on the band's official web page as a band member. That's a reliable source. Wikipedia is about verifiability over truth. What you're doing is using synthesis, and that's not allowed. End of story. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 05:43, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Two reference lists glitch?

Is anybody else seeing two reference lists on this page right now? It appears to be a glitch, as the reflist template is only used once in the article. The "References" header has also disappeared. Vuzor (talk) 04:11, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

It appears to have been from a reflist on the template page. It's been fixed. Vuzor (talk) 04:17, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

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