Talk:Sotiris Tsiodras

Attempts to insert unproven claims of fraud

Numerous attempts are being made the past few days by editors, one eponymous and some ISPs of Greek provenance, to insert text that claims Tsiodras has been involved in the past in fraudulent actions and conspiracy to commit fraud. These claims were initially inserted without a source. After they were first removed, the attempts have been repeated, with dubious and unreliable sources posted up.

The editors involved in these attempts obviously ignore the major points of WP:BLP. I refer them to WP:BLPPRIMARY, WP:BLPSPS, WP:BLPGOSSIP, and especially WP:BLPREMOVE. Violating these policies is a serious matter.

Here are brief forensics on the "sources" provided so far. (Disclosure: As it happens, I speak modern Greek fairly fluently.)

•This source, by established and generally reliable newspaper Ta Nea makes no reference at all to Tsiodras; it's in the mix most probably to provide it with some credibility. The report simply describes what the H1N1 vaccine is all about.

•Kourdisto Portokali (Clockwork Orange) has been created and curated by a local conspiracy theorist, currently under indictment for extortion, known for various racist editorials (e.g. "Greeks are simply ugly Albanians who think they're Italians", here).

•My Dimosio (My Public Sector) is an "open" website where Greek citizens are "invited" to denounce anything "wrong" they see around them that concerns the Greek public sector or any grievance they have against it. In other words, it's a source that contains (mostly) anonymous claims, of various degrees of seriousness, all unsupported by reportage or evidence.

•The anonymous text from Crash Online contains nothing except innuendos and makes the connections between the alleged 2009 scandal of Greek ministry ordering an excessive number of H1N1 vaccines and Tsiodras who, again, was at the time a member of the scientific advisory committee.

The part about Tsiodras being guilty of criminal acts has, therefore, been removed - yet again. If the attempts continue (and the article is not protected), we shall have to go through the RfC process. Another opportunity to waste time. -The Gnome (talk) 13:42, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

• Dont protect Tsiodras, along with Mitsotakis has establish a dictatorship in Greece, according with University of Oxford Greece of Tsiodras and Mitsotakis is 84% dictatorship along with countries like Venezuela and Mongolia, disgrace to protect this people that overcounts deaths from COVID and is imvolved to scandal that along with others drive Greece to IMF. Disgrace that protect this people. GreekLivesMatter (talk) 14:23, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

NPOV - Not neutral

The "Media coverage" section of the page has a celebrative tone. --Nemomnis (talk) 07:51, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Greetings, Nemomnis. The section summarizes the review by the world's mainstream media of the article subject's performance during the pandemic. And their view is overwhelmingly positive. If there are reliable sources out there that contain the opposite view, i.e. are critical of Tsiodras' work, then by all means we should include them. In any case, when the assessment is almost unanimous in praising the subject of a biography then simply presenting that assessment in the article is not the same as adopting "celebrative tone" at all. Nor does it have anything to do with being "non neutral." Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 09:42, 5 January 2022 (UTC)