Talk:Sonia Nazario

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Sonia's work is not most recently as a project reporter for the Times. That is outdated. She is a contributing opinion writer at the New York Times. Her column is here: https://www.nytimes.com/column/sonia-nazario.

I have several other updates I would like to request, but I'll start with this one to see how it works.

I have a lot of updates I could make with proper citations that will improve this page without bias. Is there a way I can make the edits all myself and just have an admin check that they are accurate and unbiased? Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 23:06, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

You don't need an administrator to review your edits; that can be done by any editor. If you would prefer to draft your changes and have them reviewed first, before they are put in the article, you can draft them here and make a formal edit request(click for instructions). 331dot (talk) 01:36, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

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Introduction Remove: She has written about social issues for more than two decades, most recently as a projects reporter for the Times. Replace with: She has spent her career writing about social and social justice issues, focusing especially on immigration and immigrant children who come to the United States from Central America. Explanation of issue: This is an update, as her work at LA Times is no longer the most recent thing she's done, and this is a fuller explanation of what she's known for. References supporting change: http://enriquesjourney.com/about-sonia/bio-2/ https://www.nytimes.com/column/sonia-nazario Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 19:09, 20 November 2019 (UTC) Well-worded sentence, does the body of the article back this assertion or is it more a self-evident "sky is blue" statement? I suspect in addition to the general summary, her work at LA Times and NY Times would both warrant a mention in the intro. Pelagic (talk) 06:06, 23 November 2019 (UTC) Good call, I think I'll put "Nazario has been a contributing opinion writer on immigration, asylum, Central America and Mexico since 2018 and travels around the country and world speaking on the migration issue and her advocacy for migrant children and refugees." At the end of this intro. Thanks for your help! Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 17:34, 13 December 2019 (UTC) Information to be added or removed: Remove:She holds the distinctions of winning the 2003 Pulitzer Prize for Feature Writing,[1] and of being the youngest writer to be hired by the Wall Street Journal. She is currently working on her second book as well as traveling around the country speaking on the issue of unaccompanied immigrant children. Replace with: In 2003, while working at the Los Angeles Times, she won the Pulitzer Prize for Feature Writing for her six-part series titled "Enrique's Journey," which followed the harrowing story of a young Honduran's boy's journey to the US when he was only five years old. "Enrique's Journey: The Story of a Boy's Dangerous Odyssey to Reunite with His Mother" was published as a book in 2006 and became a national bestseller. It has been selected as a common or freshman read by hundreds of universities and high schools nationwide. Nazario has been a contributing opinion writer on immigration, asylum, Central America and Mexico since 2018 and travels around the country and world speaking on the migration issue and her advocacy for migrant children and refugees. Explanation of issue: Adding more information, including full title of book, more description about the series, the book, and the pulitzer prize. including its selection as a common or freshman read to demonstrate the impact the book has had. This is what she is most known for. References supporting change: nytimes column: https://www.nytimes.com/column/sonia-nazario pulitzer prize winner: https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/sonia-nazario common reads: http://commonreads.com/book/?isbn=9780812971781 Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 19:09, 20 November 2019 (UTC) Rationale is valid, but possibly too much detail for the intro. (Yes some other Wikipedia articles have uncomfortably long intro/lead sections, but that doesn't mean we should emulate them.) Suggest integrating this into the Career section and using a shorter summary in the lead. —Pelagic (talk) 06:06, 23 November 2019 (UTC) That makes a lot of sense. I'm moving the part about her work at NYT up, and will put the rest down into career. Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 17:34, 13 December 2019 (UTC) Early life Information to be added or removed: Remove: She permanently moved to the United States during the Dirty War in Argentina.Replace with:Nazario’s mother was Jewish, and fled Poland as a young girl for Argentina. Her father was born in Argentina, after his family fled Christian persecution in Syria. As newlyweds, her parents moved to the United States, where Nazario was born. Her father died suddenly when she was 13 years old, and her mother took her family back to live in Argentina. As a child, Nazario had the nickname ‘La Granuja,’ or ‘The Troublemaker. She decided to become a journalist at the age of 14 while living in Argentina during the Dirty War, when she saw a pool of blood on the sidewalk near her Buenos Aires home. Two journalists who lived nearby had been murdered by the military. Her mother explained that the journalists had been killed for telling the truth about what was happening in Argentina, and in that moment Nazario decided to become a journalist. She returned at age 15 with her family to Kansas. Explanation of issue: More fully explaining her family background and early life and coming of age as a journalist as described in her speeches and TEDX talk. References supporting change: TEDX talk including Sonia's early life and decision to become a journalist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA_SUOareNQ Persecution of journalists during Dirty War: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2634308?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 19:09, 20 November 2019 (UTC) I think this is the kind of detail that would interest the reader. If it's non-controversial, can we rely on an autobiographical source? Or do we have to leave it out until some other author re-iterates it? —Pelagic (talk) 06:06, 23 November 2019 (UTC) Education Information to be added or removed: She received a second honorary doctorate in 2013 from Whittier College. Explanation of issue: Education section is missing her second honorary doctorate. References supporting change: https://www.whittier.edu/alumni/poetnation/honorary Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 19:09, 20 November 2019 (UTC) If I was proposing this change, I might write it like: Current: She received an honorary doctorate in 2010 from Mount St. Mary's College. Proposed: She has received honorary doctorates from Mount St. Mary's College in 2010, and from Whitier College in 2013. This is complements what Spintendo is getting at below, it helps us if the proposed text is pre-formatted and works in with the existing content. Formatting notes: Don't necessarily need the {{tq}} template, I used it here to mark the text as an example. (Walls of green can be distracting where there are multiple long passages.) The {{cite}} template isn't mandatory but most editors here feel that structured citations contribute to a higher quality level than naked URLs. —Pelagic (talk) 06:06, 23 November 2019 (UTC) References  Done: uncontroversial, not undue weight, supported by source – have updated article with the same phrasing that I provided above. Pelagic (talk) 06:26, 23 November 2019 (UTC) Non profit work Information to be added or removed: Add Citation for "She is also on the board of ids in Need of Defense, a non-profit launched by Microsoft and Angelina Jolie to provide pro-bono attorneys to unaccompanied immigrant children." Explanation of issue: It says citation needed. Citation below. References supporting change: https://supportkind.org/about/leadership/ Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 23:02, 20 November 2019 (UTC)  Done. Thanks for the link. It would be more informative and more future-proof if we could write Also, from 20XX, she has been on the board of …, rather than She is also on the board of …. But the source is silent on that. Is there another source, or could Sonia update her bio on that page? —Pelagic (talk) 06:53, 23 November 2019 (UTC) Information to be added or removed: She was awarded the Hispanas Organized for Political Equality Ray of HOPE Award in 2018. In 2017, she was awarded the George D. Nickel Award for Outstanding Contributions to Social Welfare from the University of Southern California. She was awarded the American Heritage Award by the American Immigration Council in 2016. In 2015, she was awarded the Golden Door Award by the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society in Pennsylvania, the Champion for Children Award by First Focus, and the Don and Arvonne Fraser Human Rights Award. Explanation of issue: Missing her humanitarian awards References supporting change: Hispanas Organized for Political Equality Ray of HOPE award: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/hopes-29th-anniversary-awards-dinner-tickets-49966475072 George D. Nickel Award: https://dworakpeck.usc.edu/news/social-work-leaders-and-advocates-honored-annual-awards-ceremony American Heritage Award: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/content/sonia-nazario Champion for Children Award: https://firstfocus.org/blog/sonia-nazario-recognized-as-2015-champion-for-children Don and Arvonne Fraser Human Rights Award: https://www.theadvocatesforhumanrights.org/past_hrads Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 23:02, 20 November 2019 (UTC) Information to be added or removed: Nazario, who has worked for decades as a journalist, never expected to become an immigration activist. She had been taught to adhere to the ethical norms of her profession, reporting objectively and not taking sides on issues. This changed when she felt the need to become a voice for unaccompanied immigration children who face immigration court alone. She testified before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee on July 17, 2014 about the conditions she witnessed in Central America during her reporting. She testified that, given the dangerous conditions in their home countries, many children fleeing north—not all—are refugees, and should be treated as such. In testimony captured on CSPAN, she urged them to provide every child standing before an immigration judge with an attorney, to treat refugee children humanely, and for the U.S. to fund programs led by nonprofits in Honduras that help reduce violence and corruption. Explanation of issue: Adding more on how she got into advocacy work and her important testimony before the U.S. Senate. References supporting change: her reasons for becoming an advocate: https://supportkind.org/media/an-unexpected-activist-for-children-in-the-immigration-reform-debate/ her testimony before the U.S. Senate: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4718800/user-clip-sonia-nazario-testimony Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 23:02, 20 November 2019 (UTC) Information to be added or removed: In 2019, Nazario’s opinion piece for the New York Times titled ‘Someone is Always Trying to Kill You,’ told the stories of women fleeing extreme violence in Honduras. After the article was published, Nazario set up a GoFundMe page for some of the women’s groups mentioned in her story that were working to help women survive in Honduras. The GoFundMe campaign surpassed it’s $20,000 goal, raising a total of $20,735 split between two women’s groups in Honduras: the Honduran Women’s Collective (CODEMUH) and the Association of Mutual Support Between Women in Honduras (APOMUH). Explanation of issue: Missing humanitarian work from this year. References supporting change: I can't put the gofundme link because Wikipedia has gofundme on its blacklist for links. Her NY Times article: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/05/opinion/honduras-women-murders.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fsonia-nazario&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 23:02, 20 November 2019 (UTC) Career Information to be added or removed: Nazario’s career began while she was still enrolled in Williams College. In 1980, she studied abroad in Madrid, Spain, where she worked as a reporter for El Pais. The following year, in 1981, she was hired at The Washington Post as a summer intern for the opinion section. In 1982 she was hired by The Wall Street Journal, at the age of 21 as a staff reporter covering social issues, and later became a back-up Latin American correspondent. She was based in New York, Atlanta and Miami from 1982 to 1986. In 1986, at age 26, Nazario left the Wall Street Journal to get her master’s degree in Latin American Studies at the University of California, Berkeley. She graduated in 1988 and returned to the Wall Street Journal in Los Angeles. Explanation of issue: Missing Career information before 1993. References supporting change: http://enriquesjourney.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/2019-CV-SNazario.pdf Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 23:02, 20 November 2019 (UTC) Information to be added or removed: Citation for George Polk Award for sentence: "The following year, she won a George Polk Award for Local Reporting for a series about hunger among schoolchildren in California." Explanation of issue: Citation missing. Citation below. References supporting change: https://liu.edu/George-Polk-Awards/Past-Winners#1994 Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 23:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC) Information to be added or removed: She worked at the Los Angeles Times as a projects and urban affairs reporter covering social and social justice issues from 1993 to 2008. In 1995, the Pulitzer Prize was awarded to the Staff of the Los Angeles Times for local reporting of spot news for their 1994 coverage of the first day of the Los Angeles earthquake. Explanation of issue: missing career info from 1993 to 1998, including first pulitzer. References supporting change: pulitzer: https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/staff-36 Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 23:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC) Information to be added or removed: Citation for sentence: "In 1998, Nazario was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for Public Service for her story about what life was like for the children of drug addicts." Explanation of issue: Missing Citation, Citation below: References supporting change: https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/grand-forks-nd-herald Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 23:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC) Information to be added or removed: Citation for sentence: "Her photographer for the project, Clarence Williams, won the Pulitzer Prize for Feature Photography for photos taken to accompany the story." = Explanation of issue: Missing Citations References supporting change: https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/clarence-williams Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 23:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC) Information to be added or removed: Citations for Enrique's Journey awards, listed below Explanation of issue: Missing Citations, listed below References supporting change: Pulitzer Prize for Feature Writing: https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/sonia-nazario George Polk Award for International Reporting: https://liu.edu/George-Polk-Awards/Past-Winners#2002 Grand Prize of the Robert F. Kennedy Journalism Award: https://rfkhumanrights.org/people/2003-sonia-nazario-don-bartletti National Association of Hispanic Journalists Guillermo Martinez-Marquez Award: https://www.apbspeakers.com/speaker/sonia-nazario/ Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 23:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC) Information to be added or removed: Remove: The story also garnered the Pulitzer Prize for Feature Photography for her accompanying photographer, Don Bartletti. Replace with: Photos that accompanied the story earned the Pulitzer Prize for Feature Photography for Don Bartletti. Explanation of issue: Clarifying the sentence so that it's understood this is about the photographer getting the prize. Also include citation below. References supporting change: https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/don-bartletti Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 23:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC) Information to be added or removed: Remove: "adopted by 54 universities and scores of high schools" Replace with: "adopted by over 200 high schools, middle schools, and universities" Explanation of issue: The number has doubled since this page was last edited. References supporting change: http://commonreads.com/book/?isbn=9780812971781 Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 23:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC) Information to be added or removed: She has been a contributing opinion writer for the New York Times since 2018, though she was first published in the New York Times in 2013. In 2017, she delivered a TEDx talk titled “Solving Illegal Immigration [For Real].” Nazario is at work on her second book for Random House. Explanation of issue: Missing career information since 2006. References supporting change: TEDX: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA_SUOareNQ NY Times column: https://www.nytimes.com/column/sonia-nazario Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 23:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC) Information to be added or removed: New Section: New York Times Nazario’s first opinion piece for the New York Times was published on April 10, 2013, titled “Child Migrants, Alone in Court.” It addressed unaccompanied immigrant minors who flee violent gangs, cross the desert, and once in the U.S., must face an immigration judge without legal representation. The following year, in 2014, Nazario testified before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee on this issue. Her other opinion pieces for the New York Times include: The Heartache of an Immigrant Family. Most Migrants don’t want to leave home. October 14, 2013. The Children of the Drug Wars. A Refugee Crisis, Not an Immigration Crisis. July 11, 2014. The Refugees at Our Door. We are paying Mexico to keep people from reaching our border, people who are fleeing Central American violence. October 10, 2015. How the Most Dangerous Place on Earth Got Safer. Programs funded by the United States are helping transform Honduras Who says American power is dead? August 11, 2016. These Are Children, Not Bad Hombres. The government treats unaccompanied minor immigrants with kindness. Trump may change that. February 25, 2017. Trump’s Cruel Choice: Who Gets to Stay? In order to keep protections for one group of immigrants, kids fleeing violence might be turned away. October 27, 2017. There’s a Better, Cheaper Way to Handle Immigration. Someone, please tell the president: There are humane, effective alternatives to his brutal policies. And they cost less, too. June 22, 2018. Do You Care About The Rule of Law? Then Act Like It. In his attempt to seal the border, President Trump is making a mockery of America’s asylum laws. July 11, 2018. I’m a Child Of Immigrants. And I Have a Plan to Fix Immigration. Neither Democrats nor Republicans will like it. But it would be humane, it would adhere to the rule of law, and it would work. October 26, 2018. ‘Someone Is Always Trying to Kill You.’ The United States cannot erect a wall and expect women to resign themselves to being slaughtered. April 5, 2019. Pay or Die. MS-13 and 18th Street gangsters want to run Honduras. Cutting off American aid isn’t going to stop them. July 26, 2019. Explanation of issue: Including Articles that Sonia has done for New York Times since 2013, her most recent work. References supporting change: included in hyperlinks above. References

Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 00:05, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Reply 20-NOV-2019

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If I put around two or more pieces of text within a sentence or paragraph, how will you know which claim corresponds to which reference? Still trying to figure out, this is my first attempt at Wikipedia edits Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 19:02, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Another reply 2019-11-23

Apart from desiring the material be pre-formatted to aid the person doing the insertion, I have some other questions or observations about the requested changes. Disclaimer: I don't normally work on biographies and am not very experienced in the intricies of this area. My thoughts are coming from a more general angle of article structure and balance, not detailed knowledge of BLP policy.

Have refactored the subheads slightly, and have posted comments into each section above. Will hold off from Echo (ping) notifications until after I'm done.

Pelagic (talk) 23:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

P.S. Thanks for signing each section, Sarah: that makes it easier for me to interleave replies. Pelagic (talk) 06:06, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments! Sarahisacarpenter (talk) 19:03, 2 December 2019 (UTC)