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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 21:14, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]


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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Really love this song; will start the review soon! --K. Peake 21:14, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

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  • Infobox looks good!
  • Band members introduction to the songwriters is not needed because that being solely in the body is sufficient  Done
  • "The track was released on" → "It was released on" plus swap this with the last song written sentence  Done
  • "It was the last song written for the record; Healy developed the song's lyrics" → "The song was the last one written for the album; Healy developed the lyrics" since using "the album" twice in the same para is fine when it's a song article  Done
  • Remove the word downbeat from the lead, as that's not notable here  Done
  • Instead of writing the song is composed in styles, shouldn't it be "composed in the genres of..."?
  • Remove disco from describing the bass here since it's only an influence  Done
  • "deemed it the best song" → "deemed it one of the best songs"
  • "including those published" → "including ones published" but you should write about some of these lists in prose as well as being in the section table because anything in the lead has got to be written in the body  Done
  • Shouldn't the Ireland chart be mentioned in the lead?  Done
  • "the US Billboard Hot Rock & Alternative Songs" → "the US Billboard Hot Rock & Alternative Songs chart"  Done
  • Maybe you should instead write that the song "was certified gold in both Australia and the United States" while mentioning the certification bodies, plus then add "while it received a platinum certification in the United Kingdom" and adding that body too  Done
  • "It received positive reviews from critics, who highlighted the video's" → "The video received positive reviews from critics, who highlighted the"  Done
  • Add release year of Fight Club in brackets  Done
  • Add release year of The Edge of Seventeen in brackets  Done
  • "citing the track as a significant influence on her second album," → "citing it as a significant influence on her second studio album," plus add the release year in brackets  Done

Background

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  • Retitle to Background and development because the second para discusses how the song was developed mostly thematically  Done
  • "on theme of jealousy" → "on the theme of jealousy"  Done
  • First para looks good apart from maybe the sentence about the song's inclusion on the album, as shouldn't that be in the release and reception section instead?  Done
  • "specifically the feelings of" → "alongside the accompanying feelings of"  Done
  • "Healy said that he" → "Healy agreed that he" since the viewpoint actually came from the interviewer  Done

Music and lyrics

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  • Audio sample looks good!
  • "of a "bouncing"" → "of a "bounc[ing]"" per alteration of the source  Done
  • Are you sure the term whirling is encyclopaedic?
  • [35] should only be next to funk and neo-soul, as the ref being once in a sentence at a point after anything it backs up is sufficient  Done
  • Shouldn't you write electropop instead of electronic pop since you used alternative pop instead of the other source's alt pop to match with the more common term?  Done
  • The word "digitised" uses a "z" in the source in place of where the quote's "s" is, so switch accordingly  Done
  • "The singer delivers "Somebody Else" in a" → "The singer performs in a" to be less wordy  Done
  • "recounting the pain of" → "expressing the pain of"  Done
  • "one passes through after" → "one experiences after" so things are not worded too closely to the source  Done
  • "that one would normally" → "which one would normally"  Done
  • Remove pipe on Billboard  Done
  • "was reminiscent of" → "is reminiscent of"  Done
  • "of a Tears for Fears" → "as a Tears for Fears"  Done

Structure and analysis

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  • For the content backed up by [25][22][45], shouldn't the punctuation be inside quotes?  Done
  • "has changed, and the" → "has changed and the" per British English  Done
  • [53] should be solely at the end of the sentence rather than invoked twice  Done
  • Pipe bridge to Bridge (music)  Done
  • "around intimacy, exclaiming:" → "around intimacy, as he exclaims:"  Done
  • ""a couplet that anyone" → ""[a] couplet that anyone" per the source's capitalisation
  • Per MOS:CONFORM: "...if the quoted passage has been integrated into the surrounding sentence (for example, with an introduction such as "X said that"), the original capital letter may be lower-cased."
  • "which she credits as" → "which she credited as"  Done
  • "of this notion, saying:" → "of the notion, summarising:"  Done

Release and critical reception

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  • Maybe you should add a sentence after the first one mentioning its inclusion on the album 11 days later?  Done
  • Wikilink British pop music itself instead  Done
  • "named it the record's" → "named "Somebody Else" the record's"  Done
  • "to the song's successful emulation of a 1980s-style sound and said:" → "to the successful emulation of a 1980s-style sound:"  Done
  • "the production, arrangement" → "the production, arrangements" per the source  Done
  • "revealed that despite" → "assured that despite"  Done
  • Wikilink Rolling Stone India per MOS:LINK2SECT and for consistency with the ref  Done
  • "Healy's "sympathetic" and" → "Healy's "sympath[etic]" and" per alteration of the source
  • "the songs "enchanting" sound" → "the song's "enchant[ing]" sound"

*"praised the song's "moody sheen", writing that it creates" → "praised its "moody sheen", writing this creates"  Done

  • "praising its "depressingly"" → "praising its "[d]epressingly"" per the source's capitalisation
  • Is the writing for NME introduction needed for Connick when the last one mentioned is him anyway?
  • "commended the song's lyrical elegance," → "commended its lyrical elegance,"  Done
  • "said the song radiates" → "opined the song radiates" to be less repetitive  Done

Accolades

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  • Elaborating on my earlier comment about lists, you should start with an overview saying that the song appeared on year-end and decade-end lists of numerous publications, plus pay reference to some in prose like the ones mentioned in the lead  Done
  • Are you sure The Diamondback isn't a violation of WP:RSSM since this is a list of theirs?
  • Yes, WP:RSSM does not make mention of excluding lists, with the only time notability is outright discounted is its use in a "topic which can be sourced exclusively to student media, with no evidence of wider coverage in mass market general interest media". Giacobbe talk 16:44, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Commercial performance

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  • Move to being the section after Music video
  • "becoming the 1975's second most commercially successful release at the time." → "standing as the 1975's second most commercially successful release up to May 2020." per the source  Done
  • Mention when it was certified platinum  Done
  • The usage of "in the country" should be after the number of copies for correct flow of the sentence  Done
  • Don't think "at the time" is needed because "becoming" does not necessarily imply that it still holds this ranking  Done
  • Shouldn't it be Bubbling Under Hot 100 without the word singles?

Music video

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Development and release

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  • Img looks good!
  • The word "accompanying" is not needed when you have said it is the music video for the song  Done
  • Why is [105] after the first sentence when it does not mention Tim Mattia?  Done
  • "In his interview with Holden," → "Speaking to Holden," to be less repetitive with previous mention of their interview  Done
  • The "almost two or three videos" quote should not be written twice in a row  Done
  • ""it's 2016, there" → ""It's 2016, there" per the source's capitalisation  Done

Synopsis

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  • "and an occasional boo" → "and the occasional boo" to be less repetitive  Done
  • It is not sourced that Healy actually walks towards the couch
  • "does not respond, and" → "does not respond and"
  • Img looks good!
  • "skateboard dressed in a" → "skateboard, dressed in a"  Done
  • He traverses cabs and karaoke bars as well as what is mentioned, so shouldn't you add this in?
  • "makes him hallucinate" → "leads to him hallucinating"  Done
  • "his performance, and the" → "his performance and the"  Done
  • "several drinks, and she" → "several drinks and she"  Done
  • Introduce Jarrod Johnson II at this point  Done
  • "and the video concludes" → "before the video concludes"  Done but what part of this is backed up by Idolator?

Response

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  • Retitle to Critical response  Done
  • Img looks good!
  • Wikilink David Lynch  Done
  • "commending its dark tonal style," → "commending the dark tonal style," but no "dark tonal" style seems to be praised by the source  Done
  • "during its "bizarre" twist" → "during the "bizarre" twist"  Done
  • It seems more like the introspective style was mentioned by the source, not necessarily praised  Done
  • Pipe "The Sound" to The Sound (song)  Done
  • Italicise Idolator  Done
  • Wikilink Fight Club and mention the film's release year  Done
  • "of Fight Club." → "of the film." because nobody will confuse a music video for being a film, especially when Fight Club was just mentioned  Done
  • Remove wikilink on The Fader  Done
  • I would recommend putting parts of the Stereogum review in your own words since it reads awkwardly quoting that much  Done

Live performances and other usage

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  • Mention the pink light from the December 2015 performance per the source  Done
  • "the band performed the song" → "they performed the song"  Done
  • "THAT GET MONEY'."" → "THAT GET MONEY'"." per MOS:QUOTE  Done
  • "has also been used in several films and television shows, including" → "was used in"  Done

Cover versions

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  • Remove American musician introduction on the img text since that is provided in prose  Done
  • "the musician "really" → "the musician asserted she "really"  Done
  • Pipe minimalist to Minimal music  Done
  • Pipe pop to Pop music  Done
  • Remove excess space before "breathtaking"  Done
  • "After tweeting about his discovery," → "After he tweeted about the discovery,"  Done
  • "and incorporated layered" → "and he incorporated layered"  Done
  • "as "more sombre and" → "as "a little more somber and" per the source  Done
  • "of the track in the first place;" → "of the track at number one;"  Done
  • "a member of the" → "a member of"  Done

Legacy

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  • What is [45] used to back up in the first sentence  Done plus shouldn't you add more sources for the greatest songs claim?
  • I'm not sure why that's there to be honest. Regarding the second part of your comment, the other sources are presented throughout the paragraph and expanded upon in further detail. This is the lead-in sentence for the para. Giacobbe talk 20:29, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and labelled a" → "and has been labelled a"  Done
  • "Jarod Johnson II of Paste ranked the track at number 17 on the publication's" → "Johnson II ranked the track at number 17 on Paste's"  Done
  • Should most genius lyrics really be surrounded by quotation marks?  Done
  • "ten fan-favourite lyrics," → "10 fan-favourite lyrics,"  Done
  • Img looks good!
  • "despite being written by a" → "despite the songwriters being a"  Done
  • "they could have recorded" → "they could have written and recorded" per the source  Done
  • Remove wikilink on YouTube  Done

Credits and personnel

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  • Good

Charts

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  • Good

Certifications

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  • Good

References

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  • Copyvio score may be at 42.9% but that is due to the album's long title being matched so ignore
  • Ref 10 is a duplicate of ref 23  Done
  • Ref 25's cite error can be fixed by using the refname with the close tag on the extra instance where you used the full citation  Done
  • Again, are you sure that ref 32 is not a WP:RSSM violation since it is being cited for a list?
  • The Guardian → The Observer on ref 74; check the left hand side  Done
  • Remove ref 80 per WP:RSP since the fans voted on this list before they "spent weeks discussing revisions and replacements, plus they are the writers instead of authors: "elected to write about their favorite tracks."  Done
  • Wikilink The Guardian on ref 81  Done
  • Cite Idolator as work/website instead for refs 115 and 148  Done
  • WP:OVERLINK of The Fader on ref 123  Done
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  • Good

Final comments and verdict

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  • @Kyle Peake: Thank you for the kind words!!! I know it is larger than usual, so I appreciate you taking on the review. I believe I've implemented and/or addressed all of your comments. If there's something I've missed, please let me know . Giacobbe talk 13:16, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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