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Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2020

Please remove the map that highlight Somalia in two different colors to this link: https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/image/view/-/4666182/highRes/1976025/-/maxw/600/-/wipuxsz/-/land+row.jpg

This is the article that claim the why that map is not current. https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/ea/Somaliland-Puntland-land-dispute/4552908-4666094-q4134q/index.html 2601:480:4000:A190:AC16:FB56:A9FD:6BF2 (talk) 04:46, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Please try to build consensus for your changes. This will not be done through an edit request. You simply need to convince participants that your changes are the correct ones. If you need further outside input, you may consult dispute resolution requests. El_C 06:46, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Fixed Direction, Northwest is Djibouti.

According to the map shown in the page, The country bordering Somalia on the northwest is Djibouti.

If you would like a source, here is Britannica https://www.britannica.com/place/Somalia It states "Somalia is bounded by the Gulf of Aden to the north, by the Indian Ocean to the east, by Kenya and Ethiopia to the west, and by Djibouti to the northwest."

Putting a note does not count as source

If you have any objection, please use this talk to state your reasoning and stop the vandalism.

I agree and I have no objections to affirm the sovereignty and territorial integrity as stated. The UN Security council, international community should be able to back this statement up as well. Best regards, HSA777 (talk) 17:54, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


User:Siirski Please use here to discuss before vandalism or else I will ask volunteer admin to step in — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hurbad (talk • contribs) 19:36, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


These Three users Dabaqabad Siirski Jacob300 are all vandalizing the page. Some have previously been accused and flagged. Hurbad (talk) 12:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

History section is very overloaded

I have noticed the History section half of it is to do with the Somali Civil War of the last 30 years. There is a ton of information here but it is too much. Since this is the article for Somalia, it should mention the war but not go into so much detail. The conflicts have articles of themselves and additionally there exists a History of Somalia article where more detailed history can go in.

See Vietnam for example, where the info of the First Indochina War, Vietnam War and Reunification are very well trimmed in three subsections, without overloading content.

The History section of Somalia should be significantly trimmed down. --Weaveravel (talk) 00:09, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Somali National anthem

I don't think that the national anthem shown is correct. Flags200 (talk) 11:49, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Yep, it's wrong. It's the flag anthem, not the official one. Ftuxkingmor9n (talk) 21:45, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

good 👍👍👍😊 Citycountryball2000 (talk) 21:18, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Map caption's claims about "control" are incorrect

Regardless of whether Somaliland should be included or not, the map caption is substantially incorrect, since neither Somalia nor Somaliland controls anywhere close to all of the territory shown for each. I edited the caption to be neutral and accurate, but my edit was reverted without explanation. Mine was:

Territory claimed by Somalia shown in dark and light green, with the lighter color showing the area claimed by self-declared Somaliland⁠ (an unrecognized state)

Can someone explain why that was reverted? GeoEvan GeoEvan (talk) 18:41, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay does anyone actually object to me changing it back to what I suggested? GeoEvan (talk) 00:15, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Somalidu Waxa Ay Ku Dhisanyahine QabiiLo izku TagaY GabiLkastana Izagaa izahantii Doranaya Mezha U Izaga Rapo Somaliland na Xududa Ma Zaxankarto Oo dowladapa Waxa Ka horeyA Zhacabka hubay Zan Mustafe khaliji (talk) 19:16, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Is this page about the "Country" or "who controls what in Somalia"?. Abdikafi Ysn (talk) 08:14, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Religion

@HELLO IM NAZEEF: You keep adding information to the infobox's Religion section which is not in the reference given. The reference states only that the religion is "Sunni Muslim (Islam) (official, according to the 2012 Transitional Federal Charter)". There are no percentage figures given. If you have another reliable source which gives figures, then you need to give it. By all means follow WP:BRD — "Bold", which you were in adding the figures; "Revert", which I have done with the reason stated; and "Discuss", which I have started here. Do not change the figures again else you may be considered a disruptive editor. Bazza (talk) 16:38, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 29 August 2018 and 22 December 2018. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): DayNV.

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Somalia

Can someone please change the demonym for Somalis because Somalian isn’t a word and majority of Somalis don’t like it because it is incorrect Theculturedswine (talk) 11:16, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Of course Somalian is a word. Do you have reliable sources for what you say? Everything on Wikipedia hinges on that and so it should be. 151.177.58.208 (talk) 14:14, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Disruptive edits?

Here I came across a questionable edit, which doesn't seem to be the only one by that user. In this case removal of referenced material and what seems like a bias against colonial languages that are actually still used in the country. 151.177.58.208 (talk) 14:17, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2022

Please update GDP per capita to $1245 according to the latest World Bank data [1] 109.38.152.23 (talk) 13:25, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done And I will update other economic data. 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (talk) 21:21, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2022

New president is Hassan Sheikh Mohamud 197.157.231.198 (talk) 21:20, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 21:25, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Map innacuracy.

The map on the page seems to display a small independent country between Pakistan, India, and China. This country does not exist. Could somebody fix this? CheeseInTea (talk) 13:52, 17 May 2022 (UTC)CheeseInTea

Population in text

The country’s population appearing in the introductory text (not the info box) is off by a factor of 10 from the cited spreadsheet source. It is referenced via a formula that looks correct numerically but may be pulling data from the wrong row of the spreadsheet. Indymemerson1 (talk) 10:31, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

It seems that Waffledogefern has fixed the template. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:28, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Soomaliya

Soomaaliya 

41.223.109.51 (talk) 19:37, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:42, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Soomaaliya

Gdp PPP 2022 estimate Total 195 billion (55) Per capita 8,888 (120)

Gdp nominal 95 billion (65) Per capita. 3,333. (134) 41.223.109.51 (talk) 19:59, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Infobox

Husesein07101, can you please explain why you're repeatedly removing sourced content from the article's infobox and adding an unsourced population figure? Cordless Larry (talk) 20:24, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Demonym

Somali is ethnicity, and every somalia isn't a citizen of somalia, please change that to Somalian thats their nationality, I'm somali but I'm not a citizen of Somalia nor every somali im Djibouti, Somaliland, Eritrea, Ethiopia or Kenya. 41.79.199.19 (talk) 05:27, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

We had Somalians, but it was deleted in May without explanation. Maybe because there is this web-borne myth that "Somalian" is wrong or even "offensive". "Somali" is ambiguous but nevertheless used not only as ethnonym, but also as demonym for Somalia. –Austronesier (talk) 15:35, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
"Somalian" is absent in both Somalia's provisional constitution and the 2016 amendment to the 1962 Citizenship Bill. Conversely, both documents explicitly refer to citizens of the Federal Government of Somalia as "Somali". Unless you can find legal documents from the Somali government using the demonym "Somalian", I would refrain from changing this page. Gantzbantz (talk) 15:27, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2023

Replace 0.3 HDI with 0.713, according to the UN it is this HDI. AnnasAbdulle (talk) 17:38, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 19:01, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Hdi is wrong

The somali hdi is 0,713. Here is the source:https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/Somalia/human_development Ramy Ahmed01 (talk) 17:46, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

This source seems to contain an error, also citing an implausibly low HDI for South Africa compared to other countries in Africa. For South Africa, it cites a value of 0.385 for this year [2], which is dramatically lower than the value of 0.713 quoted in the 2021 UNDP report [3] and a similar value quoted for previous years. I have contacted the site's administrator about this error. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:21, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2023

The hdi is 0,713 and population is 18 million 143.178.45.244 (talk) 17:36, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done See below. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:23, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Request for GDP and population update

@LaundryPizza03: Please update the GPD and population figures based on 2023 IMF data. PPP: $32.08 billion / $2000 and Nominal: $11.52 billion / $717.41. Population: 16.05 million people. WORLD ECONOMIC OUTLOOK (OCTOBER 2023) - https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/profile/SOM 109.38.144.46 (talk) 11:05, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2023

Please add the increase symbol Increase next to the GDP figures and update the population figure to 16.05 million based on the 2023 IMF report[4] 109.38.147.87 (talk) 09:46, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done: The icons have already been added. As for changing the population amount, it reflects the current source. I do not know which would be more authoritative: the CIA Factbook or the IMF. -- Pinchme123 (talk) 04:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

There is no mention of the American intervention/invasion and the Battle of Mogadishu!?

. 115.70.100.169 (talk) 03:25, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Relations with Ethiopia

On the 1st of January, 2024, a pact was signed between Ethiopia and Somaliland, where Ethiopia will lease the port of Berbera on the Red Sea, and a 20km stretch of Red Sea coastline, for 20 years, in exchange for eventual recognition of Somaliland as an independent state. If this pact is honoured, Ethiopia will become the first United Nations member state to recognise the breakaway nation.

So much for a Greater Somalia including Djibouti and the North of Kenya ? AndrewHart500 (talk) 04:09, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Pending changes

Due to the amazing history of vandalism, I added indefinite pending changes. Please ping me if this becomes onerous.-- Deepfriedokra

Gobolka Raascasayr

gobolka raascasayr waa gobol kamid aha gobolada puntland, waxa loo magacaabay gobolnimo sanadkii 2013-ka. caasimadiisu waa caluula waxa uu kakooban yahay 5 degmo 1-caluula 2-baargaal 3-bareeda 4-murcanyo 5-gumbax gobolkani waxaa mara badwaynta hindiyo iyo gacanka cadan. waxa uu kucaan yahay maydiga iyo beeya bedkiisu waa 11,490km² 102.223.188.66 (talk) 19:04, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2024

Okay, in the “HDI” tab, it says that Somalia is last. I think it would make more sense to change that to “193rd.” Also, the UN Country Insight states that Somalia’s HDI increased by 0.380 because it has basically never had data before. For South Sudan, they didn’t write “last.” 48JcL48 (talk) 00:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

 Already done You have implemented the edit yourself (you should've closed this request at the same time too). Liu1126 (talk) 23:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Somalia 102.68.16.187 (talk) 17:24, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

"THE Somali community"

What does this even mean? It's a very buzzword-ish way to refer to an entire population of a country. 2603:7081:1603:A300:4B6C:E19C:E222:F8E1 (talk) 22:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Somalia showed as controlling Somaliland

The picture has been locked by an administrator, leaving it stuck in a state that does not accurately represent de-facto territory. I would strongly suggest Somalia be shown with its de-facto borders, not de jure borders, per standard border guidelines. ASmallMapleLeaf (talk) 18:30, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Somaliland de-facto in the map used is much larger than the reality on the ground. Somaliland doesn't control 40% of its claim territory. SSC-Khatumo is a new unionist administration controls that 40% after 13 years of struggle against Somaliland and its ambition to seek independence based on colonial borders. Meaning even the new replaced map is not accurate. We need a map that shows the real size of the de facto entity while showing Somalia with its SSC-Khatumo. If that is not available, we can for now use the de jure map of Somalia, which reflects the recognised borders of Somalia. Anwar8989 (talk) 08:38, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Ok so a few things
  • Firstly, Somalilands claimed borders vs it's controlled territories have always being fairly vague because of the dispute involving it and Puntland state borrders. It would be highly impractical to constantly adjust the map based on Los Anod conflict territorial gains and loses, especially since the conflict has been plagued with poor coverage by third party organisations, meaning accurate battle lines are difficult to draw anyway.
To explain why Somaliland qualifies for being mentioned on the map, let's look at two examples which overlap here:
  • File:Morocco_(orthographic_projection,_WS_claimed).svg (Morocco map): On this map, despite Western Sahara controlling very little of what they claim, many states do not recognise Moroccan ownership of it, and so the entire Western Sahara is not included as being undisputably part of Morocco.
  • File:CHN_orthographic.svg (China map): The Indian claim on this map is an example of a claim not being recognised by many other states other than itself, but is included anyway.
Other examples would include Guyana Essequibo being claimed by Venezuela, and Northern Cyprus being claimed but not shown as controlled on the map of Cyprus despite being otherwise unrecognised by anyone.
Hopefully this is a good enough explanation as to why it should be changed for you. ASmallMapleLeaf (talk) 13:33, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
The conflict was not only over a city, it was over a territory that makes 40% of territories claimed by Somaliland. Now the region has its own administration which is fully independent from Somaliland. Also who would cover a war in non recognised entity that has barely any influence on the world. I think Somaliland needs a new map that shows its true borders, which can be easily constructed. Khatumo SSC is longer disputed, it is endorsed by both Puntland as independent state as well as the Federal government.
Looking at Morocco, Western Sahara is actually mostly controlled by Morocco, if we are keen on sharing accurate information, those maps should change too. I would advise on making new maps that shows the true uncontrolled size of Somaliland rather then sharing inaccurate information. I would go no for the current new map. Anwar8989 (talk) 19:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Sorry for late response
I still believe that the map should contain Somaliland, per my statement above. Not too sure on the guidelines on mapping, but if there isn't any, this could be the point to create one.In regards to creating maps, that can also be debated either way. Still, I am In favour of reverting the map to show Somaliland. Perhaps we should ask for a third opinion? ASmallMapleLeaf (talk) 15:57, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi both, please allow me to join you in the conversation. I think both of you have a valid point. I am more in favour of creating a new map that reflects the real controlled territories of Somaliland rather than reverting to this old wrong map. We could leave this meanwhile. So, I would so no to the old map and yes for better replacement. SawsanJojo (talk) 18:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

RFC discussion

Should the current map of Somalia on this page, which does not show the areas controlled by Somaliland be replaced? If so, in what way?

  • Option 1: Keep current map
  • Option 2: Replace current map but with a map only highlighting rough boundaries of the areas de facto controlled by Somaliland in light of the current Los Anod conflict
  • Option 3: Replace current map with a map highlighting Somaliland's de jure borders
  • Option 4: Show a map of Somalia with its de jure borders, while also displaying one with its de facto borders.

It's worth noting there was an edit war on this issue back in December, resulting in the current version of the map being protected. ASmallMapleLeaf (talk) 15:50, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Support Option 3, with a secondary preference for Option 2 per my comments above (before RFC). ASmallMapleLeaf (talk) 17:30, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Somaliland is not a dejure state, in fact, never was either. Therefore, its claims control over territories is something that we are not certain of, also no international actor recognises Somaliland claim of these territories. Somaliland always had disputed border and now doesn't control all the eastern part of its claimed territory. Therefore option 3 is definitely not a choice.
Somala's current map is a dejure. The world recognised Somalia with its 1960s border, the entire world. It makes sense to leave it with the current option. I will vote Option 1 Nawal00 (talk) 19:51, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Update:Secondary preference for Option 4 ASmallMapleLeaf (talk) 18:43, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Option 1 - I don't think our maps typically represent what authority "de facto" controls a certain region. They more typically represent what the internationally recognized boundries are (e.g. Ukraine). It's a fair point that not representing regions that are "de facto" controlled by other parties may be slightly misleading for readers, but I think the overwhelming counter argument to that is that it's relatively easy for us to figure out internationally recognized borders, and relatively hard for us to figure out de facto borders. Trying to use de facto borders would just throw everything into chaos. NickCT (talk) 16:45, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
    I understand the point about not using actual de facto line of control, hence my leaning towards Option 3, but it must be said that even on the Ukraine's page we have a map showing its de jure borders (The initial one), but then we have one showing territories currently occupied by Russia, as seen at File:Europe-Ukraine (disputed territory).svg. I actually never thought of using two maps beforehand, like it is on Ukraine. Perhaps it could work?ASmallMapleLeaf (talk) 17:51, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
    I'm a bit confused by your statement. Would you agree or disagree that the map for this article (i.e. Somalia) should show Somalia's de jure borders, like Ukraine's map show's its de jure borders? Two maps could make sense. Showing the "disputed territories" somewhere in the body seems reasonable. NickCT (talk) 19:27, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
    Sorry, I find it a bit hard to put it accross, I was suggesting we show that Somalia does indeed claim Somaliland, but does not control it in its entirety, which could be indicated via a shade if lighter green (it was like this until a edit war in December that resulted in the map being given protected status). Two maps could be a comprimise by allowing Somalia's internationally recognized borders to be shown while allowing people to view what it de facto controls. ASmallMapleLeaf (talk) 21:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
    (For an example of what a mean, see Morocco and how West Sahara is highlighted on the map, or Cyprus in which North Cyprus is shown as claimed but uncontrolled.) ASmallMapleLeaf (talk) 21:23, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
    Yeah. I mean I guess we sometimes represent de facto borders (e.g. Cyprus, Morocco, Moldovia), and sometimes de jure ones (e.g. Ukraine, Yemen, Myanmar). I'm really not sure what the distinction is between those places. I stick to what I said earlier about de jure borders being easier to represent. NickCT (talk) 22:07, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
(I added a fourth option there now, based off the comments of NickCT) ASmallMapleLeaf (talk) 10:00, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Show de facto borders/claims using the different greens, this is the longstanding standard as laid out in the map conventions. It's concerning that this is not one of the options, as we should not show Somaliland's de jure borders. If the de facto borders have stably changed, that is a reason to update the map, not to throw out our longstanding conventions to handle territorial disputes. CMD (talk) 11:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
    I admit, I do think I phrased this RFC poorly. I think I your refering to Option 2 or Option 3. Option 2 would show what Somaliland has authority over Vs option 3 showing its claims. I am surprised it took this long for someone to even bring up conventions here. Fantastic Mr. Fox (talk) 12:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
    We should not show Somaliland's claims on this article, Somaliland's claims should be shown on the Somaliland article. This article should show Somalia's claims. Option 2 then, although a note that while this specific bout of conflict is new, it is not unique and control has shifted in this are frequently between the many actors involved. CMD (talk) 15:00, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
    We need a new map that shows all areas identified as part of Somalia e.g all federal states including the newest SSC Khartoum as dark green and part controlled by SL as light green. Map that genuinely reflects the reality in the ground not the old ones that show smaller size of Somalia and larger SL territories Anwar8989 (talk) 16:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
    Somaliland doesn’t have a dejure border as it is not recognised entity, add to that its claim border was never controlled and it has been reduced much further to the east since its war last year with new entity known as SSC Khatumo. So SL neither has recognised borders by the international community nor it controls the borders it claims. Nothing it settled here. So Somalia’s dejure it the best one to show. Sharwa (talk) 13:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
    Somalia's de jure border is shown in every option proposed. CMD (talk) 14:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment Serbia and Kosovo, Kashmir on the 3 pages, China and Taiwan, Israel and PTs and Golan heights, Venezuela and Esequibo, and Morocco and WS are shown with de jure and de facto, although Ukraine is shown with Crimea. There is a clear convention for de facto to be overlayed, so I think Option 2
Alexanderkowal (talk) 13:19, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
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